So let me get this straight, does this thing integrate with DAW's.

So i plug this thing into my computer open up protools and the plugs for the liqiquid appear in the rtas plugin section only it uses its own onboard dsp and not the computers.

thats the jist of it, only time will tell how well it works

As with most things audio, it always seems to be a compromise between convenience and quality. If it really sounded as good as the official blurbs, of course it would be a steal at that price. But let's face it, it probably won't. Yet, it will still fit a niche in the market if it delivers on the technical side of what it proposes. If it does 32 channels of anything without serious latency issues, people WILL buy it, regardless of sound. At that point, you simply have to weigh its value as a tool in your setup. What are your stock, DSP-saving plugins and techniques right now? Does this sound better? Does it WORK better?

Till it's actually out, no one will know. Feel free to debate it though, that's why I posted it

[QUOTE=AlexLakis]Yuck. This thing is going to be a nightmare for PCs (it's obviously built for macs.) Your video card is gonna LOVE THIS THING. I can hear my IRQs screaming all ready. QUOTE]


For any company to build anything for just macs is shortsided and not good biz in 2006 so I doubt thats the case. especially with mac/intel in flux right now.

any and all firewire products have worked on PC's for a few years now. I never had to do anything more than plug the firewire soundcard, hard drive, & digi002 in without a problem on my pcs or macs. never did anythign special on pc to get em to work

my video cards run on AGP and pci-e. not sure how firewire would affect that.

cant pass this up for $700. cant sound no worse than any of the other plugins that get blasted everyday. an alternative to uad-1/powercore/ap44

like apogee for instance?

I like and use both macs and pc's but firewire is definitely an area that works better (for me) on macs

narco

i'm sure apple compensated them wonderfully for giving them a partner for logic.

i just havent experienced the firewire problem on pc.

regardless, back to regularly scheduled program.

$799 ?
i'm going to have to give uncle eric a ring...

Metric Halo is another Apple only hardware/software company.

what i stated specifically said 2006 and related to new products in 2006

i mean if we started counting pc only and mac only software we'd be here for days.

Forgive me for misunderstanding you.

Also, i think you meant to say "short-sighted", not "shortsided".

thumbsup

I think u may be right. i'll sleep better

IS there a specific release date set for pc and mac?

it said Q2 '06 for Mac and "later in '06" for PC

Gearslutz had better enjoy this while it lasts ... it's clearly a slightly mis-managed advance press release. Online shops and news sites who were not out playing footie this weekend have rushed to remove pictures of the device.

Focusrite is owned by Phil Dudderidge, not Digidesign, Focusrite collaborated a lot with Digi before Avid bought them - developing work surfaces and the like.

http://www.focusrite.com/chairman.asp

Phil and Graham (Blyth) founded Soundcraft Electronics, and then reaped the rewards by selling out to Harman. Phil saved Focusrite after the R. Neve years of mis-management, Phil is a respected figure in the UK, he is known for assembling teams of cool techies and letting them get on with their thing.

I despise Firewire! I had nothing but trouble with the TC Powercore Firewire and LaCie FireWire HD's.

Powercore disappearing in the middle of sessions. HD's disappearing or not mounting, etc.

I'm completely FireWire free now and have zero problems.

Using USB2 for DVD-R/W and SATA II for HD's.

The Liquid channel is absolute crap IMO, but I still give this baby a chance...I guess anything is possible.

But FireWire will add latency and I don't like the sound of this.....

Native plugins are the way to go with powerful computers these days. They add zero latency in most cases and can be used even during recording.

I think you misunderstood me a little. I'm not saying they're building it JUST for Macs (obviously they're not, since they have a release date for PC.) It is ORIGINALLY DESIGNED to run on Macs, then "ported over" to PC. Like Digi. And Quicktime. And iTunes. That's why these things run LIKE SH*T on PCs. I use a Quicktime alternative, and would never install QT or iTunes on my PC. Those things are almost as bad as a straight up virus, in my opinion.

If you've never had problems with an 002 and your PC, you got LUCKY (or you paid too much for a pre-built machine.) Try running 3 UAD-1 cards and an external harddrive while using it. It's nearly impossible. And if the external harddrive is firewire, forgetaboutit! Conflicts, conflicts, conflicts. Usually with the video card sharing resources, or the processor and firewire bus talking over each other in conversation.

You mentioned you have more than one video card? I truly find it hard to believe that you don't have any problems running the 002. If you have any other PCI cards at all, I'm straight out calling your bluff. With no tweaks? Yeah right.

Now I NEVER had issues with my Firepod. That's a firewire recording interface just like the Digi. But, it was built primarily FOR PCs. It's not merely a port or an emulation. Try running Windows XP on a Mac (or OSX on a PC...it can be done...) NIGHTMARES.

An alternative to UAD/Powercore? You're darn right! Good luck getting both of them to run at the same time!

All the headaches makes me miss working on a Mac. Then again, the system I built now is more powerful, and I don't get any BSODs like I did with the G5...Oh the times, they are a-changin'...

with none other than the musicxp tweaks on pc setup when i first got it:

one of my pc's has a uad-1, a powercore, a frontier express, a digi002, an 8X AGP card, samplitude 8.2, itunes (for my ipod hookup) & quicktime (which is my default wav player also). i keep different artists projects on ext firewire drives that i connect in thru the front firewire port and this is on a machine i built for $867 shipped. w/ an athlon xp 2500 cpu

my newer dual core pcie system runs fine w/ digi002 and ext firewire and usb II drives out the box as well with the same tweaks done from when i first built it.

this pretty much says it all right here. exactly how much is too much for this person to pay to get a system that works? maybe the problem isn't the technology itself, but your desire to make it work on the cheap?!?!

This says quite a bit, too... since the BSOD doesn't even exist on the Mac OS.

I don't think this product is intended for people to track through on the way in.
I think its intended for people to use during mix downs.

Plug-In Delay Compensation is in 99% of DAWS, so the added latency at mix time won't be an issue, most folks mix at a higher buffer than they track at anyway.

If you go into it thinking its a product with intentions it simply doesn't have, you will come out thinking its crap. But if you actuallly approach as a tool like any other, and without prejudice, who knows you might actually enjoy it and get your moneys worth.

Only time will tell if its a useful product or not, but its not fair to you to buy it for things its obviously not capable of (using during tracking).

Good luck!
i'm gonna check one out myself as soon as its available.
Not that i need the cpu power, but 60 plug-ins for mixdowns at $700 is a good deal. It would REALLY have to suck to not be worth the money, and i liked the Saffire plug-ins so i'm opitimistic.

Uh, no, my point-in-passing was that you can build the EXACT same system for about 1/4 of the cost of the premade ones. I'd gladly pay top dollar for a working DAW. But I don't have to. Creation Stations and Alienware systems are ripoffs. Period.

Obviously, you haven't worked with Macs very long. They do indeed have BSODs, although they're not blue, they're "multilingual."


So ya did use tweaks afterall. Naturally. No buffer underrun/overrun errors at all in any instances with your systems, Jlotto? You should consider building DAWs professionaly! If you have some free time, PM me your system stats, I'm very interested. I've got a dualcore AMD 64 4400 with 2 UAD-1 cards and a firewire card on the PCI bus. AGP video. Built mine for around $700. I also use USB and firewire drives. Works great; I did have to do a lot of BIOS tweaks, registry edits, and services.msc work to get it working flawlessly...

everyone who ever travelled down the pc daw road tweaks windows (using musicxp & many other places online that been around for years) out the box b4 they use it.

u had to w/ win 98, 2000, & xp. that goes without saying. u stated that u did some extra tweaks than the one's everyone already does on g.p. w/ a pc system. Must be some secret tweaks u developed urself. post them please.

if u got ur system working flawlessly at $700 using firewire drives and 2 uad-1 (u said 3 the first time) and agp card why can cant the rest of us get that right when we can read musicxp for the tweaks too?

why would focusrite liquid mix be such a nightmare and never be able to work on a pc as you stated?

Obviously none of this has to be answered these are just observations. I'm only interested in discussing the liquid mix within this thread not travelling down the pc/mac debate which i take no sides on as i have 2 PT accell systems on macs and 1 pt LE and 1 samplitude system on PCs

Well, right, you just said you didn't tweak it at all, which had me confused.

I've been building PCs and programming in various languages since I was 12. Knowing your way around each OS makes it easier. No secrets. Amongst various other minor tweaks, I made sure everything was disabled in the BIOS that didn't need to be there. I manually removed "system critical" services inherent in the XP OS that I know didn't have to be there. I edited the system registry to give priority to the firewire bus IRQ and the CMOS clock, which cleared up conflicts with the video card and other devices. Enabled bus mastering for the video card...I could go on and on...

I never said I was personally using 3 UAD-1s. I was using 3 UAD-1s at one time, but not with this new system. Read my post more carefully. As far as your question goes, computing knowledge helps a lot. Most people would rather buy a Mac and focus on making music more, which I respect completely. I happen to enjoy hacking around with computer parts as well, tho, so it works out for me.

I never said it would never work. Like I said before, read my posts more carefully, before you try calling me out on things I never said. You stated yourself in your last post that "the rest of us" "can't get it right?" Well, there's your answer. It's not easy. There are landmines all along the way. If you don't have a lot of experience building computers, and tweaking the OS you use, then it's gonna be a nightmare. Most people here are recording engineers, not computer engineers. I was just expressing my general discontent for IRQ and resource sharing in Windows XP. These issues will definately be involved when setting up this new Focusrite product. If any slutz have any problems setting anything like this up in a windows environment, feel free to PM me and I'll try to offer my expertise.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack a new product thread, just kinda happened...

Perhaps this is why the release of the PC version is delayed beyond the release of the Mac version...

just speculating...who knows.

Yep, there are a lot of considerations like that when porting from platform to platform. I like to think of this kind of stuff like languages. Say you're born in Italy, and grow up speaking Italian. Then, you move to the U.S., and learn to speak English. You can pick it up and use it well, perfectly even, but you will probably never be as good at speaking English as you are Italian, because that's what you grew up with. It will never be as easy and natural to you. That's how I've found most programs to be when originally developed on Mac, then ported to PC, or vice-versa.

With built in plug in power AND an easy tweak controller this does look really cool..

PLEASE TEST DRIVE IT AT THE MUSIK MESSSE NEXT WEEK

AND REPORT BACK HERE ON THIS THREAD OK?

I'll check it pretty sure

See you at the Focusrite booth then

If you're there on friday, we will!

Not that I want to ruin your aguments, but I am bilingual because I live in an island where we have two official languages: catalan and spanish. I use both of them naturally since my early days. My two years old son already differentiates between them and replies in both languages, depending on which one he's been addressed.

I think that there must be computer products that are designed to be multi-platform form the very beginning and they are beta-tested equally, giving good performance on both platform. Propellerhead's Reason comes to mind.

Reality is that, in most cases, software runs more smoothly on one platform than another.

Right.

Yeah, Reason does do pretty well!

Welcome, Trotz! Catalan? I've never heard of it! Is it a regional dialect of some other language, or it's own beast all together? You speak English very well too!