Originally Posted by dfghdhr ➡️

Okay I was wrong. This orientation is NOT the best because of an obvious/major flaw that for some reason I didn't see in the first place:

Originally Posted by blayz2002 ➡️

Ummm.. Maybe I'm blind, or just dumb. What is the obvious/major flaw, with this orientation?

Originally Posted by sirjuxtable ➡️

Hey folks,

As I just moved to a new place with a larger room for my home studio, and my current monitors are starting to show their age, I think it's time to upgrade.

TLDR: Should I upgrade my KRK VXT4's plus 10s Sub to the Neumann KH120(A or D?) or should I swing for the fences and get the ATC SCM20asl?

Before everyone tells me to get the more expensive option, a little background:

I record and mix mostly podcasts/dialogue and live bands, although I want to do more studio work with bands. Either way, detail is important for the dialogue work and balance is important for bands.

I currently have the KRK VXT4's which I loved, paired with the KRK 10s sub. The VXT4's are started to get noisy, one with a faint crackle and one with a bad buzz, and the sub footswitch hasn't worked for years, so it's always on (loved the option of turning the sub off and bypassing the crossover). I may get them fixed or try to fix them myself as a "B" and mobile setup, or I may just sell them for cheap and help pay for the upgrade. Either way, they've given me dutiful service for about 10 years now, and I know them well.

These were my first set of monitors that weren't just glorified computer speakers, and I found the detail and soundstage to be excellent, while still sounding very pleasant. I found them to be a little too relaxed in the high mids and highs, and my mixes would come out a little too pokey. I also found that (more likely due to my previous room, which was only partially treated) my mixes were tubby and bloated in the low end. I hope to treat the new room much more to avoid lowend issues, but I think the flattering mids/highs are a feature of the VXT4s. I could be wrong.

My new room is in a basement with low ceilings (7' tall) but fairly long and wide (21' x 15'). I will most likely set up along the short wall firing downwards but will measure both positions to see what is optimal due to some eccentricities to the space. Again, I want to add much more treatment this time around to avoid flying blind especially in the low end.

After I get things in the room placed optimally and well treated, I hope to upgrade my ailing monitors to hopefully something much better.

I have two competing options in my mind that both seem like an obvious upgrade, but one is much more expensive than the other.

The Neumann Kh120's seem really well loved as nearfields and won't break the bank. I expect them to be better than the VXT4's, but unsure if it will feel like a quantum leap or a marginal improvement. Also, unsure if these will be "my last monitors" or if in 5-10 years or sooner I will feel the need to upgrade again.

The ATC scm20asl seem really well loved as nearfields as well, but seem huge. I'm assuming based on what I read that I will definitely have a "night and day" feeling with my current monitors, but the price tag is certainly high. I would have to get these financed. At this price, I would definitely want them to be my "last" monitors.

For both pairs I imagine I could add a sub later, but that would increase the cost significantly and will probably have to wait a while as I prioritize treatment and mains.

So, assuming I get the room sorted properly, is it worth it to go ATC? Overkill? Are the Neumann's going to be so much better than the VXT's that I will be over the moon at a fraction of the cost of the ATC's? Which set is better for the dimensions of the room? Other contenders that I am overlooking?

Originally Posted by uumatter ➡️

What about giving a pair of Dynaudio LYD 48’s a listen?
Anyone on this thread use them and love em?
I sure do.

Originally Posted by blayz2002 ➡️

Ummm.. Maybe I'm blind, or just dumb. What is the obvious/major flaw, with this orientation?

Originally Posted by blayz2002 ➡️

Ummm.. Maybe I'm blind, or just dumb. What is the obvious/major flaw, with this orientation?

Originally Posted by time2mix.com ➡️

Maybe on those stands the mid range driver would be about 7 feet in the air? I'm curious too.

Originally Posted by illegal4Hunna ➡️

Uhhh just gonna sneak in here and throw a recommendation for the Unity Audio Boulders. They're up there with ATC's and you wouldn't need a sub. Personally didn't like Neumann KH80's or KH120's but haven't heard anything other than those.

Originally Posted by Starstreet ➡️

I know another German studio, that mixed on ATC SCM100. They bought these speakers from the money of their first hit single. They are already closed, because they could not mix anything on these speakers!!

Originally Posted by Starstreet ➡️

I don't want to derail your thread. I know ATC SCM50ASL quite well. I found it difficult to mix on them. I know another German studio, that mixed on ATC SCM100. They bought these speakers from the money of their first hit single. They are already closed, because they could not mix anything on these speakers!! Everything sounded brilliant on ATCs, they went in their car and it sounded like ****. Unless you haven't perfectly treated your room, I cannot suggest ATCs.

Originally Posted by redloheb ➡️

1. People are praising ATCs so they can get rid of theirs and buy something different

Originally Posted by redloheb ➡️

It's not the first time I read they don't translate well and it's kinda strange for the price. On other hand there is lot of love to say Gen Ones but I don't remember anyone mentioned any translation issues. So I have theories like

1. People are praising ATCs so they can get rid of theirs and buy something different
2. People are disappointed by ATC because they expect magic for the price but there is no magic: treated room is needed, learning curve is there anyway
3. Do they translate?

Originally Posted by redloheb ➡️

I think it make sense to compare KH 310 + KH 750 setup with Dynaudio Core59

Originally Posted by mart ➡️

I just got a second pair of ATC's two weeks ago, after ordering the dealer told me wait time was about 6 weeks.
24 hours later they arrived at my studio, shipped directly from the distributor... haha!

Originally Posted by mart ➡️

I just got a second pair of ATC's two weeks ago, after ordering the dealer told me wait time was about 6 weeks.
24 hours later they arrived at my studio, shipped directly from the distributor... haha!

Originally Posted by time2mix.com ➡️

Where are you located? I'm jealous, I ordered mine 2 weeks ago and I was told a month to month and a half, but not actually known for sure. Luckily VK here in Nashville gave me their's to demo in my place for a while.

Originally Posted by drockfresh ➡️

I heard 3-4 months for 50s.

Originally Posted by drockfresh ➡️

Nice - which model did you get?

Originally Posted by time2mix.com ➡️

Ah I'm talking about 25's.

Originally Posted by redloheb ➡️

I've tried them last week. I didn't believe it's the same Dynaudio.
What is wrong with the port tho?

Originally Posted by drockfresh ➡️

I heard 3-4 months for 50s.

Originally Posted by TLS ➡️

I used to have ATC but their support was nothing short of horrific when it mattered so thankfully I was able to find them new owners while they still had some value.

I ended up getting some JBL 7 Series and everything about them has been better (including support). Mixes just translate now and they're a pleasure to work on.