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ATC SCM20ASL Pro mk2 VS. SCM25A Pro. Users, Thoughts?
Old 9th April 2019
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ATC SCM20ASL Pro mk2 VS. SCM25A Pro. Users, Thoughts?

I am currently using the Focal Solo 6 Be and about to take the ATC plunge. My sales rep. mentioned that he auditioned both of the STC models and recommended the SCM25A model. I was just curious if anyone out there has used both models and what your thoughts were. I know the 20ASL has the new tweeter and the 25A does not. Wondering if it's worth saving up the extra funds to go with the 25A, or if the 20ASL is the way to go? I have a space that's around 500 sq ft. that is not professionally treated. Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks!
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I am currently using the Focal Solo 6 Be and about to take the ATC plunge. My sales rep. mentioned that he auditioned both of the STC models and recommended the SCM25A model. I was just curious if anyone out there has used both models and what your thoughts were. I know the 20ASL has the new tweeter and the 25A does not. Wondering if it's worth saving up the extra funds to go with the 25A, or if the 20ASL is the way to go? I have a space that's around 500 sq ft. that is not professionally treated. Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks!
What do you do? For mixing the 20s are it. The 25s are better suited for artists. Also, your space is fairly large, so the 50s might be a better option if you can afford them. But again, depends on what you do and what you need.

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Haven't used the 25s in a mix situation.

The 20s and the 50s are incredibly close (in a good way). Bonus towards the 50s being deeper bass, more headroom and slightly more natural mids.
That said, I personally couldn't fathom a better mix speaker than the scm20. I sold mine to get the 50s. I love the 50s but they really give you EVERYTHING whereas the 20s give you EVERYTHING (that you need to know to pull a good clean mix quickly)
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What do you do? For mixing the 20s are it. The 25s are better suited for artists. Also, your space is fairly large, so the 50s might be a better option if you can afford them. But again, depends on what you do and what you need.

,Andrei
Thanks for the reply! I am an artist and I produce, but I also want a speaker that I can try to mix in house on. I basically want the most accurate of the two models, the model that will point out the most flaws in an obvious way. Pleasing to the ear is less of a concern to me, I am more going for accuracy in representation. The Focals just haven't been cutting it for me.
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Haven't used the 25s in a mix situation.

The 20s and the 50s are incredibly close (in a good way). Bonus towards the 50s being deeper bass, more headroom and slightly more natural mids.
That said, I personally couldn't fathom a better mix speaker than the scm20. I sold mine to get the 50s. I love the 50s but they really give you EVERYTHING whereas the 20s give you EVERYTHING (that you need to know to pull a good clean mix quickly)
Awesome! Thanks so much that's very helpful. I am more looking for accuracy over anything else. So you think the 20's would be a good way to go then?
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Awesome! Thanks so much that's very helpful. I am more looking for accuracy over anything else. So you think the 20's would be a good way to go then?
I doubt any atc from the 20s upwards will be difficult to pull a mix on. I would suggest that you do your best to hear the various models and pick the one which is the most fun to produce on.
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I am currently using the Focal Solo 6 Be and about to take the ATC plunge. My sales rep. mentioned that he auditioned both of the STC models and recommended the SCM25A model. I was just curious if anyone out there has used both models and what your thoughts were. I know the 20ASL has the new tweeter and the 25A does not. Wondering if it's worth saving up the extra funds to go with the 25A, or if the 20ASL is the way to go? I have a space that's around 500 sq ft. that is not professionally treated. Just curious about your thoughts. Thanks!
I went from the Solo6 to the ATC scm25 several years ago.. I never looked back.


the scm25 it's a much better loudspeaker, but it's also a 3 way and at a completely different price point, so it's not a fair comparison.

I'd strongly suggest to treat your space the best you could, that would have a HUGE impact on your mixes and how ANY loudspeaker behave in that space, big or small.

that said the scm25 also offer more lowend information than the Solo6..
it's not only a better mixing loudspeaker, it's also more "fullrange" than a solo6 (but again, as said before, this is not a fair comparison).

Don't worry too much about the tweeter, they are really good as they are and are anyway a big step Forward to what you have now.

between the 20 and the 25 I'd go with the 25, although I know several people like how the 20 behaves better.. it's more a matter of taste and Needs at this point.

if you produce as well you might need a sub on the 20, on the 25 is not really needed ime.

if you can't pull a great mix out of any atc, then the problem is not the loudspeaker..

Dunno if this helps.. but I hope so..



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I went from the Solo6 to the ATC scm25 several years ago.. I never looked back.


the scm25 it's a much better loudspeaker, but it's also a 3 way and at a completely different price point, so it's not a fair comparison.

I'd strongly suggest to treat your space the best you could, that would have a HUGE impact on your mixes and how ANY loudspeaker behave in that space, big or small.

that said the scm25 also offer more lowend information than the Solo6..
it's not only a better mixing loudspeaker, it's also more "fullrange" than a solo6 (but again, as said before, this is not a fair comparison).

Don't worry too much about the tweeter, they are really good as they are and are anyway a big step Forward to what you have now.

between the 20 and the 25 I'd go with the 25, although I know several people like how the 20 behaves better.. it's more a matter of taste and Needs at this point.

if you produce as well you might need a sub on the 20, on the 25 is not really needed ime.

if you can't pull a great mix out of any atc, then the problem is not the loudspeaker..

Dunno if this helps.. but I hope so..



Cheu
Thanks Cheu! That's actually very helpful especially since you went from what I have now (Solo 6) to the 25's. Thanks so much for your input, I have no doubt it would be a big step up!
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Cheu is spot on, he convinced me into ATC a few years ago as well, and I'm grateful for that. I couldn't afford a new pair of 20s, I was considering the Amphion 15 back then, but Cheu suggested the used market, and luckily I found a nice pair of 20s in excellent condition from a studio in Gloucestershire, went with it, and very very happy that I did. Of course, you can't go wrong with ATC, you do get what you pay for, expect the best.

My only concern is that your room might be a bit too large for the 20s or the 25s, so might not fill the room like the 50s would should you wish to turn up the volume to have some fun, so do expect this. It's the only downside I can think of. The 20s are not very room dependent must say from my experience, and if you treated it fairly decent, since it's already quite large, I wouldn't expect any nasty surprise. Have fun with your ATCs, which ever model you'll decide on!
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The 20s are not very room dependent must say from my experience
You, me and almost everyone who's used them in different situations That consistency between environments, and the consistency with the rest of the range vibe-wise* makes them the most versatile nearfields Ive encountered.

Not cheap though! You did well to score some used - ATC have sold loads over the years but the owners seem reluctant to give them up until they are shagged.


* thinking about it, lack of vibe would be more accurate for ATCs
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I was in the same situation and went from solo 6 to SCM25As. Best decision I've made so far, I love every second of working on them!
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I was in the same situation and went from solo 6 to SCM25As. Best decision I've made so far, I love every second of working on them!
Awesome! Thanks so much for the feedback. I think that is what i'm going to do as well.
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I think that is what i'm going to do as well.
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I actually did upgrade to the scm25’s and I am expecting delivery on this Tuesday. Excited to hear them in action!
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I actually did upgrade to the scm25’s and I am expecting delivery on this Tuesday. Excited to hear them in action!
Very cool. I pulled the trigger on a set on Reverb yesterday. I too, am excited!

I recently had the acoustics redone and my old monitors just didn't fill the control room anymore.
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Very cool. I pulled the trigger on a set on Reverb yesterday. I too, am excited!

I recently had the acoustics redone and my old monitors just didn't fill the control room anymore.
Nice man! You will have to let me know what you think of them. I hear a lot of good things, but have never heard them in person. Hoping they live up to the hype!
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Nice man! You will have to let me know what you think of them. I hear a lot of good things, but have never heard them in person. Hoping they live up to the hype!
I am back to report.

I set them up yesterday. It wasn't like "oh wow" right off the bat. It took a little while to comprehend how much low end comes from those things.

I listened to one of my mixes I feel pretty familiar with and I thought "too bassy". I put the plugs in the bung holes and tried again. Later I tried again and with some more people helping (so one could stay in the sweet spot), we found that a little more separation (left to right) and removing the plugs was the key.

I am hearing things I have not before. I heard a bass track on one of my songs... it's flat. Never heard that before! Steely Dan high hats, mixed with too much cocaine, errr, treble. Reverb splashes on phrases on "May the cube be with you" (Thomas Dolby).

Later I put the Dynaudio's back up. Like Plush said, nice speakers still, but they sound 'papery' and somewhat 'cheaper' than the ATC's.

I did a little mix last night and listened back this morning. I am pretty good with it still! First mix, and I am not second guessing a bunch of stuff as I move it from system to system. I'll listen in my car later today.
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I am back to report.

I set them up yesterday. It wasn't like "oh wow" right off the bat. It took a little while to comprehend how much low end comes from those things.

I listened to one of my mixes I feel pretty familiar with and I thought "too bassy". I put the plugs in the bung holes and tried again. Later I tried again and with some more people helping (so one could stay in the sweet spot), we found that a little more separation (left to right) and removing the plugs was the key.

I am hearing things I have not before. I heard a bass track on one of my songs... it's flat. Never heard that before! Steely Dan high hats, mixed with too much cocaine, errr, treble. Reverb splashes on phrases on "May the cube be with you" (Thomas Dolby).

Later I put the Dynaudio's back up. Like Plush said, nice speakers still, but they sound 'papery' and somewhat 'cheaper' than the ATC's.

I did a little mix last night and listened back this morning. I am pretty good with it still! First mix, and I am not second guessing a bunch of stuff as I move it from system to system. I'll listen in my car later today.
Hey! I was just gonna check in with you. It's so funny because you almost exactly mirrored what my first impressions were. It definitely wasn't love at first listen for me. But as the speakers are breaking in, I can really hear them start to open up. You are right, the placement seems to be a tricky thing with them as well depending on your room. All in all, I think it was a bit disarming going from the Focal Solo to the ATC because all of the sudden you can hear so much more information, it's a little intimidating. The transients are also a lot more pronounced on the ATC's when it comes to drum sand percussive elements in my opinion. After a few days of listening, I do think they are amazing speakers though. They are a tool that is forcing me to change A LOT of how I used to produce because they are showing me more of the bigger picture of whats actually going on in a track. You'll have to keep me posted how you feel about them in a month or so!
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Would love to hear an update. I think I’m going for a pair of 20s since I’m in an untreated apartment studio about 400 square feet for now. Though would love to hear more about the differences between 20s 25s and 45s. Are the 20s best is an apartment studio setup?
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Just pulled the trigger on 20’s. Arrive Wednesday. Tim
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Just pulled the trigger on 20’s. Arrive Wednesday. Tim
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I'm picking up a pair of 20s tmrw. For my apartment studio, they seem like the way to go; and when I move into a dedicated space in the future, I can either keep the 20s at home for reference, and upgrade to a larger ATC like the 25s or 45s, or possibly just get a sub for the 20s...

Does anyone use the 25s in a smaller room like an apartment studio? Also, do you enjoy composing/producing on them? While I read the 20s are geared more towards mixing than anything, I plan to use them for composing, sound design, tracking and mixing. Perhaps with an added sub down the line they will be everything the 25s are and more?
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I'm picking up a pair of 20s tmrw. For my apartment studio, they seem like the way to go; and when I move into a dedicated space in the future, I can either keep the 20s at home for reference, and upgrade to a larger ATC like the 25s or 45s, or possibly just get a sub for the 20s...

Does anyone use the 25s in a smaller room like an apartment studio? Also, do you enjoy composing/producing on them? While I read the 20s are geared more towards mixing than anything, I plan to use them for composing, sound design, tracking and mixing. Perhaps with an added sub down the line they will be everything the 25s are and more?
Late to the party here, but since noone has responded to your question I will add my 2c. I recently acquired the atc scm25a as part of the atc sale going on in the US at the moment. I am using them in a very small space: I have a dedicated, treated 10x10x8ft space. I mainly produce and do some mixing, mostly electronic music with live recorded instruments. I have an Adam Sub12 that I occasionally switch in to get a sense of lower frequency content (to the extent possible in a small space). I use Trinnov SP2 pro room correction to iron out a few frequency response and phasing issues of this space as well. I upgraded from Adam S2Vs.

I am still getting to know the ATCs, but have been incredibly impressed thus far. The sound image/staging is pin point accurate even though I have a very large sweet spot (I listen at about 4.1 ft from the mid range driver). Subjectively the frequency response seems more even compared to the Adam S2Vs. The trebles on the Adams in particular caused some fatigue during long production sessions. The overall (subjective) sound experience for to me is paradoxically more relaxed, effortless and organic, while being a lot more accurate, revealing and critical compared to the S2Vs. I can hear content on the ATCs I was not able to hear on the S2Vs. As others have pointed out great mixes sound fantastic, but mediocre productions/mixes will sound accordingly. regarding their use in a small space: The ATCs are definitely not overwhelming the room, I generally dont play at very high volume levels (especially with the sub engaged) but unlike other monitors I worked on, the overall sound image and flatness of the perceived frequency response appears to remain constant as I turn up the volume (until I hit the limitations of my room). My production and mix decisions remain valid across different volume levels, even in my less than ideal space.

For fun and embarrassment I included the Trinnov room measurement of the ATCs installed in my studio here. Hope this helps
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I'm picking up a pair of 20s tmrw. For my apartment studio, they seem like the way to go; and when I move into a dedicated space in the future, I can either keep the 20s at home for reference, and upgrade to a larger ATC like the 25s or 45s, or possibly just get a sub for the 20s...

Does anyone use the 25s in a smaller room like an apartment studio? Also, do you enjoy composing/producing on them? While I read the 20s are geared more towards mixing than anything, I plan to use them for composing, sound design, tracking and mixing. Perhaps with an added sub down the line they will be everything the 25s are and more?
How did you end up getting along with the 20s? I'm in a similar position decicing between them and he 25s, unfortunately no way for me to test them out without buying (and then having to ship back/eat shipping costs) which is a bummer :(
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I'm also in the market, and would love to test out some active 20s and 25s, but the only dealer in nyc isn't doing demos because of covid, and it seems like dealers would require reimbursement for shipping (+ return shipping) for the speakers I don't end up choosing.

I moved out of my studio around when quarantine began, and have been working from my apartment in a treated room approx 11' x 11' with 9.5' ceilings (and with a 3x4 closet jutting out in the back). I can set up the mix position to be anywhere from 2' to 6' back depending on where I set up the monitors so I have a little flexibility with placement.

I mix and do sound design for audio-post for a living, and some music production/mixing for pleasure when I'm not exhausted from staring at pro tools all day. Currently looking for a solid stereo config that can possibly grow into 5.1 for the future when I'm back in a facility.

For audio-post mixing work, cleaning up and mixing suboptimal production dialogue is first and foremost, which is why a clear midrange and top is vital, but one where resonant frequencies and sibilance (esp in the 1.5-8k range) don't hurt my ears and cause me to overcorrect.

Sound design work does require use of a full range of the frequency spectrum including subby impacts. Music-wise, I do like using 808s and other similar material so being able to handle those frequencies at high-spl is important.

Mainly considering either the SCM20ASL MKII (and adding a sub or pair of subs), or the SCM25A (poss adding a sub(s) but would have to hold off for the moment). 20s intrigure me due to the closed design and the SL woofer with their new tweeter, and it seems to have a very tight and focused sound. 25s intrigue me for the 3-way design with the separate mid-driver, and the bigger bass extension.
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Sold the 20s and moved up to the 45s. Needed the low end for tracking and excitement. Probably could have learned the 20s for mixing but the 45s gave me everything I was looking for.
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Been thinking, would Amphion 15s or18s be a better complement for ATC 25s, than 20s + sub? For the price of both (20 and 25) you could just get 45s, but i understand they like being played louder. My room is small, 3.75m x 4.75m x 2.20m. Do people use 45s in small rooms (i suspect not), do people find that 20s and 25s complement each other, or would Amphions be a better bet to get different perspectives? Thank you for any insight.
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Just an update, since the 25's I am moving up to the 45's. The 25's were great, just had a few issues with them (not worth going into), but a beautiful sounding monitor. Once you get that ATC mid experience, it's almost impossible to go back to anything else. Will be excited to try out the 45's as I think my room needs more volume than the 25's could provide as well.
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There is no relation between the room size and loudspeaker size. Use any.
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There is no relation between the room size and loudspeaker size. Use any.
I mean, I would have to totally disagree with you ha. Some speakers just can't fill up a room because of their size. Maybe you have never been in that situation before?
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