Retiring from what?

Becoming a senior citizen, going out in retirement. As in old

From the audio field that is. All roles from studio tea-boy to CEO, from guitar playing to teaching, Front of House man for a big convention center. The list is to long.
That said, I hadn't survived if I didn't look forward. No use in trips down the memory lane. Not all good, but I have had my share of fun

Thanks for listening

PS. After 50 years, it's about time to think about my health. And......

...... And sell some stuff (counted 33 guitars the other day). My pension fund.
I will keep enough equipment to take some free-lancing and/or consultant/producing jobs. Or at least keep the door a bit open (but don't tell my wife )

I can not help but.....Might this whole conundrum has something to do with different cultural aspects/approaches?
I believe that iBM (fast and impulsive thinker) and the Nordics at Steinberg (slow and careful thinkers) have a hard time together?
At the end we all want a working product. And Cubase is hopefully providing it. Otherwise it would be out of the market.

Nah, I'm just a bit to old for the iPhone generation graphic designers, I guess

Someone (read nightshafter) has gotten to believe that I "hate" Cubase, and won't face that we are using Cubase for about 95% of our work.
I personally mainly use Cubase 6.5 and Nuendo 5.5 though, while most others in the studio complex (mine + 2 other studio entities, 7-8 people on and off) are using Cubase 8.
For compatibility we have many other DAW's at our disposal. Which every now and then have some nice features, we all could benefit of having in Cubase. And of corse the other way around.

I do not hate Cubase/Nuendo at all, but are interested to make our favorite DAW even better.
There are NO secret that I have spoken my voice about NOT liking the new mixer and control room.
That's NOT the same as to hate Cubase/Nuendo or Steinberg, or even other users

I have also been told that to mention other DAW's in here are "stricly forbidden", like it is been considered a threat to Cubase existence. Someone is slightly paranoid in here I think (read nightshafter).

PS. I take it as a good sign that I can still be "fast and impulsive" in my age heh

Yes!! With a choice of options "Render in place" offer. Dry/Wet...ect)

I see.

You'll never really retire though will you .... it sounds like music and audio are too much in your blood.

Talking about pensions, I've worked out I can afford to retire two years after I'm dead.

C9 already WOW

What? Where? Huh?

He's just surprised people are talking about C9 seeing as C8 just came out.

Well, he already commented in this thread 2 months ago... so that seems weird to me if so.

Still havent gotten C8 here yet, still waiting. C9 is a FAR fetched notion

I'm not certain that Cubase is the only one with a scalable mixer but they do it well.

In this day of mixed display resolutions there should be a way of scaling anything we wish. I hate putting reading glasses on the work with Arturia plugs. I use the plugins less on my retina computers. Perhaps it is the plugin companies that should resolve this. Who ever fixes this issue will win more market share so it is worth the time and effort. impOSCar2 is a good example of a plugin with built scalability that doesn't rely upon the DAW.

C9 is far away, for us

It certainly is under developement. And if they should consider user inputs for the next build, we can't wait until it is in beta to get our Feature Requests out there.

I think it is too late to write santa a wish list for Cubase 9 at this stage

We might as well start a Cubase 10 campaign now, to have our FR's to be taken into consideration.

The assumption is that Steinberg cares what features we want, they dont. They will do Cubase how they always have. Import session data anyone? Been askin for that for years now

Yes, Import Session Data has been asked for ever since the old Nuendo forum.

It is rumoured that something along an "Import Session Data" solution is in the works for Nuendo 7 (from some months ago back in the Nuendo forum).
I just do NOT hope Steinberg are going re-invent the wheel in their own way, just to be special.
Way to many times they are absolutely stubborn to do it "their way", only to make it unnecesarry complicated and/or weird.

So many others have "stolen" ideas from Steinberg. It is about time to "steel" some of the obvious things back.
Import Session Data, Smart Tool, REAL VCA (seperated from the Group/Link feature) etc...
Fill in more obvious things to just copy here ____________________

What features will you see just "copied over" as is, from other DAW's?

This is why I fear the long asked for..."mix undo" might be something I regret. I hope not.

But I think you have to be very cautious when asking for features even if they seem like they should have been added years ago.

I learned my lesson with Steinberg and went along with the majority of users requests in the Cubase forum begging for multiple "undo." Prior to the Cubase SX series in CubaseVST32 there was a way, but it was a bit convoluted and it wasn't very "multiple." Just about every other DAW at this time had simple multiple undos. This lacking feature really stood out with Cubase.

So with CubaseSX they finally added the multiple undo feature. What was lost? The fantastic integration with Wavelab. Imagine simply clicking on a wave part on the Cubase arrange page, Wavelab automatically opens, you make your edits/changes in Wavelab, close Wavelab, and the edits including the visuals are reflected and automatically changed on the Cubase arrange page. For me that was a huge loss, and nothing else existed that was similar.

I'm fairly confident had users known the Cubase-Wavelab integration would be lost, there would not have been such a loud cry for it. I mean...yeah you need multiple undo as it's sorely lacking, but let's wait and figure this out before taking 2 steps back.

A vocallign tool would be perfect!

+ 1 !

and Korg´s Vintage Collection - MS20, etc. (what a tiny GUI!) I really love this VSTi, but the GUI makes it not so fun to program for myself. :-(

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They should release a big controller\mixer to controller their mix for an affordable price, that's for sure

It takes time to implement new features - so they need to have an idea what users want before they start working on 9

Believing that Steinberg is using Gearslutz as a source for feature requests is the same as believing in Santa Clause. Steinberg has a feature request forum
www.steinberg.net • View forum - Feature Requests and Suggestions which they just ignore and do what they like anyway. Steinberg doesnt care what you or I want, its about creating certain features to sell more product.

Now ask yourself how many of those get implemented per cycle? Not many

C9 features are more than likely locked in as of now as C8 will probably get its usual 4 bug tweaks and done.

This is as I understand things. I'm no programmer but have some tiny info from friends and colleagues who are.
You all have to realize that a programming roadmap mostly isn't a short term thing.
I bet Cubase 9 conceptually is already complete. Perhaps even 10 is.
How many specific extra features they will be able to include in addition to the already conceptualised plans will depend on many things like when marketing is setting a release date, available man hours, complexity of implementation, risk of affecting other code depending on the old and new ways to implement the feature.
As for fixing bugs, some might be a lot more complex to fix depending on how they were implemented originally. It's not like "here it is it says BUG here let's just delete it and all will be fine". As with any advanced piece of software there will be numerous dependencies in any part of the code, so removing or just changing something in one area will brake something in another.
If that wasn't the case, the application wouldn't be efficient enough and we'd all complain about not beeing able to run as much DSP as other daws.

Why don't they just fix the bugs?
Fixed bugs don sell software in marketing terms. You can't really make an advert saying, we added nothing new, we just fixed old issues, come get it and well charge you a standard upgrade fee for it but you will get NO new features.
It just wouldn't work very well.

Each hour I s just as expensive fixing a bug (that the customers don't expect to have to pay for) as it is creating a new feature.
But a new feature has sales potential and a fixed bug does not.

Agreed with a lot of the above, but since Cubase 8 has some horrible bugs (windows management and loosing focus in objects for example) I'm still holding back on Cubase 7.5. So they are loosing a sale in my case for not fixing bugs.

Not saying they implemented docking windows because they read Gearslutz topic - but the more voices about certain things they hear - more they consider it - sure they will not implement a feature because I or YOU want it
But 1000 of people constantly whining about the same thing is a voice that can't be missed - or should not, if they have any self preservation instincts (and im sure they do)

Heres the issue as you may not know. Those on Steinbergs site who do whine about the same thing are shown the door and banned, especially if they comment on BUGS. Have you ever wondered how the Cubase forum showed up here? Funny thing is Steinberg now has reps over here interjecting instead of their own forum. Strange company

You exposed them for what they really are

Steinberg is everywhere.

Exactly!

Which makes every-day/experienced/pro users very frustrated because they are at the mercy of the once-a-week bedroom beaters/casual users who are the majority of Cubase users.

Therefore before things like mixer recall, better window management, or general workflow improvements happen, we get LoopMash improvements, Magneto improvements, and many new features few if any users I'm guessing have ever asked for.

Cubase IMO is the most feature-rich DAW available. It's logical to have the most bugs/issues. But C8 IMO conceptually is a step in the right direction. It focuses more on function/workflow than prior releases. If Steinberg can fix the numerous bugs/issues I think 8.5 will be very good.

C9? The cycle starts over again.

What is really odd is I learn more from GN here...than the Steinberg forums! Strange company indeed.

It's nice to freely discuss issues here that will get you warned/banned at the Steinberg forums. The most recent one being "C8 not ready for public release."

I'm a programmer and this is pretty much accurate. I'm sure they have a 'roadmap' for 10 already but it's probably just conceptual. I'm sure the roadmap for 9 has been pretty much ironed out already (should have been before they even finished 8.5!) down to the specifics. Doesn't mean they're not able to throw in a highly requested feature or two, as often projects never hit their internal dates anyway ... and of course you can't sell bug fixes, who is going to pay $149 upgrade for just 'we fixed our last version to work correctly, which it should have done in the first place!'. Hopefully, at least half their early development effort is spent fixing bugs from the previous release though ...

Oh and

Undo on EVERYTHING +1
Mono->Stereo track +1 (I HATE putting a pan plugin on a track and then going ... it's mono isn't it, and then create new track .... move all plugins ... move wave ....)
VST Connections default +1 (this one I guess I can live with ... being like 2 clicks to set ... but still, it should take one person 20 minutes max to make this change)

Honestly, I like the damn drop downs. If I wanted an ugly simple mac 'one mouse button, one click to do everything' UI I would use mac. However, a customizable menu seems very reasonable. Why show 30 options when I only ever use 4 or 5?
As long as the menu settings can be defaulted ... unlike the VST Connections

And I agree, the mixer UI is kind of ugly and looks like a toy, but such things I don't care about. Would I be glad if they made it look more like a real board? Yes. Do I really care? No.

I would pay $300 if every last confirmed bug in C8 was fixed.

C8 is a great release if things just worked as intended. I'm sure they will get closer with C8.5 but there will always be some unfixed functions never fixed before C9. Then the cycle continues....this is Steinbergs history and perhaps the history of other DAW developers.

But you are right. Most applications are dominated by bedroom warriors who, unknowingly, prioritize new cool features over core function and basic workflow.

However as the DAW market grows, I'm confident someday there will be a DAW designed for users who demand improved core functions, better workflow and less bugs.

A DAW that markets itself to be THE superior host to 3rd party functions as opposed to integrating it's own competing functions, often with less than satisfactory results. (not always the case but usually. For example integrating vari-audio with chord tracks is an exception)

A DAW that prioritizes core functions such as Bounce In Place that C8 finally has, but should have been implemented years ago. Or mixer settings undo/recall...another function that should have been added years ago.

A DAW that does not knowingly release broken MCU just to rush it out the door before Christmas then let the unpaid beta testers discover multitudes of bugs/issues/broken functions plus missing key commands.

A DAW that can have improved communication with it's user base without compromising it's future development.

At the moment, and for the past 16 years, Cubase is still the best for what I do. That statement should appease the Cubase fan-boys. But unlike the fan-boys, I'm always looking for something better...and I'm confident a DAW for every-day users will arrive...eventually.