it sounded horrible because it should at the level you want. music is the combination of mathematics at it's purist state and emotion at it's purist state...don't fu*k with it...embrace it. if you recorded it right it will sound right, until you eff it up with the whole loudness crap. remember, that round thing (volume knob) is there for a reason. everything else is there for fine tuning, not "making it right"

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okay, thanks. i think i was pushing the limiter pretty hard which resulted in distortion

Some Eq at tracking/aggressive mix Eq is normal and good, as needed.

Mixing for loud volume ruins everything. Mix low, don't clip your plugs, turn up the monitor volume and enjoy.

Monitors and knowing them are key to having your eqing work.

great Stuff Thanks man, is there any way to measure the loudness, i heard about blue cat dp meter which measure RMS, is it good or there is a better way ?

The closest you get is by using a LUFS meter. Both RMS and LUFS are only indications, but LUFS comes closer.

Loudness is a psychoacoustic phenomenon that can't easily be measured.

+1

I mix using K14 ref. on my Avocet.

My finished mixes are about -18dB (I use analog ref. gain staging)

When their mastered they sound dynamic and and punchy, personally I'm out of the loudness thing, my tracks are mastered so that if you want them louder you need to turn your volume knob up.

I've been told their the kind of albums you want to play over and over again as their never fatiguing.

Okay... IM sorry.. but this all seems ******** to have to go through all this crap.

How is it in another software I can create 10000000000 tracks and it remains as loud as when I created it.. But in Logic its the "head room" and "bus tracks"

Maybe its the Captain in me talking right now, but this is F'ing ridiculous.

Thank you for this!

My studio partner used to complain about this all the time & since I never really use Logic I kinda thought he was crazy. But he used to bug me all the time about it so he showed me an example of this one day & I had to accept that he really wasn't crazy lol!!

care to elaborate? not sure what you or Travis are talking about.

I was just relating to the part where "I think" Travis seems (altho now I'm not too sure due to the Captain Morgan within him) to be talking about the aux/bus tracks, & even the master track from what I've experienced, in Logic & how it's always been a little wonky. This is what I remember trying to figure out in my producer buddy's studio few years ago since he runs Logic. I remember him bussing a handful of tracks to an aux track & the level there was really low, like it was being attenuated somehow. I think it was by at least 5-10dB. Like the gain-staging/structure was a task to figure out. Same situation w/ the master track. He had to turn up the volume of the master track quite high to get a decent final level before slapping on his stereo bus compressor, EQ, & limiter. Just my 2 cents from what I remember. I'm a Pro Tools guy & this doesn't happen in PT from what I know. I didn't have the time or patience to go digging in the manual or doing online searches for him. Maybe it was just his settings in the program but dam I could see how this could drive someone nuckin' futz. Anyway it has never stopped him from working or creating songs. Plus he exports his audio to have mixed elsewhere. Not sure if he ever figured it out tho.

hmmm....I haven't read the whole thread, but, just rec'd this post re the "aux/bus" tracks....I seem to remember some discussion about this, quite some time ago, where many people observed the level of a track go down when "sending" to an aux....such as a verb. That is, the signal of the dry track going down. I'll have to do a test to see what happens. I'm on Cubase though, but, this seemed to be a plug-in issue rather than an aux issue way back when....

Right on !

[QUOTE=eightyeightkeys;10252715]hmmm....I haven't read the whole thread, but, just rec'd this post re the "aux/bus" tracks....I seem to remember some discussion about this, quite some time ago, where many people observed the level of a track go down when "sending" to an aux....such as a verb. That is, the signal of the dry track going down. I'll have to do a test to see what happens. I'm on Cubase though, but, this seemed to be a plug-in issue rather than an aux issue way back when....

Pretty sure he was routing the output of the group of audio tracks to an aux track & that's when we noticed the attenuated level on aux track. I believe we could hear a drop in volume also after the routing was done. No plugins on the aux track yet or master track either & the volume on those were at unity too. Was strangest thing. I would put my fist thru my computer monitor if that happened in PT. Good times tho.

Been using Logic for about 6 years now, and this has never happened to me.
Whether I'm routing the outputs of channel(s) to a group buss or sending to a buss for effects, there is no drop in volume whatsoever.

Old thread but good one.