Chek presets, possible to make all sorts of pops and clicks disappear.

Ok, despite my previous comments on this thread I decided to try it. It still hasn't changed much of my original comments. For instance, took me awhile (maybe its just me) to figure out how to get the frequency slider to disappear as it did in some patches. (I think made worse by that at least in Nuendo 6.5 64bit W7 SP1, there is a gui glitch that if you do disable the split band, the gui isn't automatically updated until you close and reopen the interface), and of course opening the settings options as usual, just has wayyy too many options for me. Fortunately I realise you set it once and usually never have to go back to it. Although with that in mind, I think it would be nice, to be able to enable/disable linear phase modes and oversampling without having to go in there to do so. Also would be nice be able to set the GUI size you like and save that as a default that all presets will use, as oppose to currently where the gui resizes based on what I assume was the gui size when the preset was saved.

However what I really want to talk about is the sound..... Damn..... Fantastic.. I demoed it using how I would use it, strictly as a vocal de-esser.

I do a lot of ads, different voice over talents etc and a vocal de-esser is a must for me. Up to yesterday the FF DS was by far my favourite de-esser and was the one I used in my templates etc.
That was until yesterday. I went thru several completed projects and a/b'ed the FF DS and the Essence on vocals. In all instances so far, I preferred the Essence. It had less sibilants in a very pleasing way without making the voices duller, and almost like (and I know it doesn't make sense) a rounder tone overall on the voice overs. It also made the voices seem more prominent without any additional gain or compressor than when I listened to the project using the FF DS.
Today I will listen to some more projects and finally decide.
But so far, I am loving the sound (still prefer the FF GUI)..

rsp

Incredible dynamic EQ. I was comparing Pro-DS, Precision DeEsser, dynEQ V2 and SuprEsser. Essence is more natural than them......omg. Flexible setting to feel the madness.

To Dave:
I want to use multi band. Additional features of multiple pages within a single plug! When I want to apply different settings to each M/S, it is not efficient to launch two plugins.

Hehe, I quoted myself because now I used it in a session today and after spending more time with it I can say that it wipes the floor with Sonnox and Fabfilter. Truely once you get to know all the parameters it can be invisible on vocals.

This IMHO is the best dynamic EQ there is. With some tracks I used more than one instance, so the only wish is that it could be multiband to avoid several instances. But how it tames harshness on guitars, cymbals...it is unbelievable. to DMG

I am off to buy it. Tried it as I have been solely as vocal de-esser, starting with hard de-ess in m/s mode as my initial config and adjusting to taste, it has now become the de-esser that I wanted all along.
rsp

I have been looking for a good de-esser for quite some time now and it seems to me that my search is finally over.
I can get it for 50% cheaper than pro-ds which makes it a really good deal in my opinion.

After reading your very positive previous post I'm confused... I think you mean to say that it HAS become the de-esser you wanted all along or has that changed again?

R.

Read between the lines, by "has not" he meant "has now", typos FTW!

Hahaha. I'm so used to mentally auto-correcting inter-speak nowadays that I'm amazed that passed me by. Especially as he was just so positive not even a few hours ago.



R.

lol
yes it is has now.
I too got confused when I re-read it.
sorry about that
rsp

lol
thank you.
you are of course right....
second time in three weeks I did something like this.

rsp

Dammit, you're right

what an epic failure of clicking on my part... right installer, wrong license.

I can't wait to try this! Dave, you have your finger on the pulse!

The only de-esser I use is the Metric Halo one and it has saved a lot of harshness from my mixes.
Anyone compared the two?

Never likedthe fab filter at all... will check this for sure

Didn't try it so far but one thing I a missing for a "top of the hill" de-esser from the specs is the automatic threshold function like in the Sonnox Surpressor. It detects if the input signal overall gets louder or looses volume and ajusts the threshold accordingly. Did I miss it?

Of course, the sound is the deciding factor.

After even more use today, I can say the following. It is superb deesser, but it again depends on the source itself. Sometimes it sounds better than Fabfilter, sometimes Sonnox sounds better than both, sometimes Fabfilter is spot on. What is definitely true is that it is the most flexible out of those. Fabfilter is the easiest to set up. Sonnox sounds better with higher gain reductions especially on electric guitars.

For controlling low end on bass guitar I actually preferred Waves C6's floating band over all the others.

That's the thing. As flexible as all these new Plugs are, there is still something like a Sound DNA every company has. Therefore one might still prefer a UAD Precision or Waves Renaissance over this flexible beast from DMG. Good to have them all if you can. Or just the ones you really like.

good plugin, very similar to spitfish when used like de-esser.

To call this a de-esser is almost a disservice.

Bought it without even demoing. I don't need to with DMG!

Found a small bug

First of all, this is a great tool, de-esser and de-what-ever

Used it for severall hourers with no problems, however now I was tweacking an a-guit, switche od oversamling. Everything was ok untill I changed the startingpoint in a song and suddenly the a-guit sounded strange. Checked the essence and saw that the reduction meter was to infinity and I could not change it anymore. Threshold had no influence anymore, nothing worked at all. I'm on mac 10.9.5. Anyway great product...

After two days of use I came to the conclusion that for vocal tasks Fabfilter is still superior, especially due to its intelligent detection.

And for full mixes or instruments I still prefer Sonnox as it always sounded more natural for this task in my comparisons. For other tasks where I could use Essence I rather use multiband in Ozone 5 Advanced.

So Essence is great if you don't already own other good tools for the job, because considering its price and flexibility is a great dynamics package. But there is certain sound signature of DMG Audio dynamics tools (Compassion, Essence) that I am not fond of.

First you don't like it compared to the others you have. Fair enough.

Hold on! Then it WIPES THE FLOOR with the others.

Uh oh. Then it's still "superb" de-seser but only sometimes.

And then finally... It doesn't seem to wipe the floor with FabFilter on vocals. It doesn't wipe the floor with Sonnox on mixes and finally you'd rather use Ozone for your multiband work.

Oh wait. No. Above all of this "superb" de-esser that "wipes the floor" with all the others it actually, like all DMG products, has a signature sound you're not fond of?

Jantex? What is up with you?

You're worse than my girlfriend trying to pick out a dress for our Christmas party.

Do you just like listening to yourself talk?

Why don't you think a little more, and maybe actually work a little more, with these products before expressing your (your obviously still developing) opinions?

You did something very similar in the Boz +10bd. (In case you've forgotten: According to you, Nebula was "much much" better than the +10db until being called out on this by a user that had both the hardware and Nebula program by which time you actually decided to try it on more than "a source" (A single (!) source?) of course, then it became the best EQ and Dynamics processor you've ever used!)

I get that opinions can change but this is becoming a habit of yours and considering how much you bash others around for "hyping" (whether it's developers or sheep-like users) you should maybe take a moment to look at how your (over) reactions might be contributing to this before your opinions lose all credibility around here.

R.

Jantex like do some "voice overs" job... in this case.. talk a lot and change a lot... LOL.. funny thing i see that in the boz+10db too....

dont rush mate! its xmas time...

I agree 100% with what you said, that's why demo periods are great. In case of Boz I expressed a quick opinion, where I said that it was a great tool, but preferred Nebula in that certain instance. Never said it was not a good plugin. Of course, after trying it more especially due to David's comments, I found it performed better than Nebula on other sources. I bought it in the end.

In the case of Essence I as well still think it is a superb plugin that might be the best in a certain situation, like it was with something I worked on yesterday. It is just that sometimes you forgot about certain tool you already have, because you didn't use it in the last 15 projects for example. And after you are trying something new, that provides the quality and complexity of DMG Audio products, you rediscover it. You maybe wouldn't think to use it in a certain situation, but after you do, you realize its strengths. And this happened in this case.

If I didn't have Fabfilter and Sonnox, I would definitely go for Essence. But in this case I still prefer what each of these tools do on the sources I tried them on (of course there can be the case where Essence would totally win over the aforementioned tools). What is also true is that I haven't used my Sonnox Supresser for nearly a year now...not because it wouldn't be good, but because I used something else that came on my mind and did the job and was probably more intuitive. Before spending money for another tool I then "kind of rediscovered" Sonnox Supresser and will probably use it more in the next projects...and probably on things I didn't use it before. So this is what I like about demos.

Nearly two months ago I again started using Sonnox EQ as my main eq over Fabfilter and EQuilibrium. I put it to ears only mode without a graph and found out I achieve better results in quicker time like this...and this is what it is all about in the end

After I finish work or early in the morning I like to read the news on this forum. I will try to not post my intermediate impressions, but will rather post opinion after a month of use. But with other developers apart from Steven Slate it is basically impossible to do this, because it looks like ressurecting an old thread Aside from that I love new technology and despite already having all the tools one might need I like to try out new ones. Some turn out to fire just initial excitement because they are new, some of them I don't like at all, others grow on you after time. This last ones are usually the one that gets purchased and used the most in the end.

Of course I still think that Dave's tools are together with Fabfilter's offerings some of the best bread and butter tools available today. But when I have to use subtractive EQ for notching I still prefer to use Waves Q10 for example...and if I am correct this is the first plugin parametric EQ in history

Here is exactlywhat I said in the Boz thread:
"I tried it now shortly and it is very very nice. Almost decided to buy it, until I made a comparison with Tim Petherick's Complex for Nebula. After that I decided not to buy it as Nebula still unfortunately sounds much much better."

I didn't change my opinion later as I stated initially that it is very very nice. And Nebula really did sound better on that particular source

Sorry for OT. To repeat my opinion about Essence. It is also really really nice...just that I already have other tools that do the job...otherwise it would have already been bought

I would argue that if you are indeed "resurrecting an old thread" unless you absolutely hate something (which I doubt you would if you're still using it after a month!) then that could only be a good thing to post an honest (and hopefully) positive appraisal after a month.

These developers need to keep up the awareness of their products and there's nothing better than an unbiased review popping up to remind people of how genuinely useful something is, especially after the initial "best ever" excitement has faded.

Anyway... I know it seemed like I was calling you out (and yes, I guess I was...) but only because I don't want to have to get used to expecting you to change your mind (whether positively or negatively) every time I see/read you instinctively jump into one of the "new product" threads.

To this I would like to add that Dave is one of the good guys and I think you do him (and his team) a disservice by building up so highly and then dropping something he's worked so hard on when you've obviously only just begun scratching the surface of what it's capable of.

So rather than get excited and fire off an opinion just because the internet is turned on and you can, why don't you give these developers (the ones you do seem to believe in at least) a little benefit of the doubt and see if they grow on you before spending four or five posts contradicting yourself into a circle?

That's all I'm saying.

Anyway...

R.

I absolutely agree that Dave is superb. I don't want to harm him anyway (I don't want to do any harm to anybody to be exact). And I said it is a great product anyway. And will definitely try it some more in the following weeks. It is just that I like try things in a real life situation. Not just for the sake of trying, but for getting work done. And that leaves you less time to explore hundreds of options and tweak for hours, but to be efficient, to do what it has to be done and move on.

This is where Fabfilter's product really shine and this is also the reason why I use Pro-Q2 more so than EQuilibrium for mixing.

this essence plugin is very nice..but maybe in a future update we can see a "de-rushing" feature...

just my 2 cents.. LOL...

dont take me to serious is just

xmas time!!!

As far as the sound of DMG products go, it's called transparency!