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Nuendo Live

Any experiences with the Yamaha CL Series Consoles? These consoles along with Nuendo Live will make a really tight location recording solution.. Tracking a band in a big hall, recording a choir in a church, etc, etc and then taking it back to the studio to mix. Also for live band recording for 5.1 dvd mixes.

$329 USD? I can record everything live with Reaper, $60. Ill pass, capturing live audio doesnt require much now

What a total friken joke and scam. Like I would pay another $329 for a whole separate product when I purchased Nuendo 5 + NEK that should be bug free, rock stable and easy enough to use in any recording situation like it is still currently advertised and has been promised to be for years without having to buy and use a whole separate product.

I kind of agree.

I could use logic to do a live recording. The act of Recording is nothing but capturing live performances. Kinda strange concept to pitch a DAW just for live venues - since all DAWS have the ability to record live anyway.

If you all you wanna do is capture live, any Major DAW out there can do that easy - just don't run any plugins and use Logic or Protools as a huge 128 track recorder.

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I'm not sure if the people that are dissing this understand the market for which it's intended.

I know guys who are hefty DAW users but don't trust a DAW to do their live recording - Nuendo included.

This appears to be a product designed to take a slice out of BoomRecorder's market.

On Macs especially, getting timecode in and out can be a pain, I'm told, especially when trying to use the "regular" Nuendo for example. So this goes some way to addressing that problem.

Can Reaper or Logic handle TC I/O at all?

Yup logic can. But it's not my area of expertise.

$60 license? Isn't that for personal use?heh

I like the 60sec buffer. Thats nice.

Yep, that would be ME

"You are an individual, using REAPER only for personal use.
You are an individual or business, using REAPER for commercial use, and the yearly gross revenue does not exceed USD $20,000.
You are an educational or non-profit organization."

If you have to record to timecode it's a great advantage to use Nuendo Live instead of Nuendo. If there is a problem with TC, Nuendo stops the recording.
Nuendo Live only uses TC for timestamping when you hit record.
For me the only reason to prefer NLive for live recording. One error possibility less.

It looks as though this is the perfect add on to a Yamaha CL console for live with the the console showing whats going on with the DAW. Looks pretty cool after all. For $329 for a live audio DAW, not bad.

Does Nuendo Live link like the Venue does with Pro Tools to transfer all the channel names from the console to the Pro tools session?
Can you use it playback tracks as well as record during a show? - this is also a very handy Venue feature.

matt

I wonder why they didn't make this integrate with their DM2000 as well, since they advertize that as their "flagship" digital mixer?

I believe you don't understand the live business....

Anyone who has ever tried to seriously use Reaper or even the big Nuendo version for a serious live show (not small club gig) will have noticed that both programs are not at all made for such purpose. That starts with the rather complex interface and ends up with the missing connectivity to live rec consoles. I have tried to use my Nuendo for a big-scale recording (100+ tracks) and I always had to jump between numerous dialogs and config settings.

From teh screenshots it looks like Nuendo Live has a sleek interface (something I miss when using my big Nuendo in the studio). The advantage is definitey the usability. Hope the release a demo soon....

$329 is a no brainer for those seriously working in live business. It pays of at the first show.

When you record live concerts for a living, something like this is a Godsend. Speed, simplicity, and reliability is the name of the game. Though it is kind of nice just to open the session when you get back to the studio and work with it right away. In this case, that only works if you own Nuendo.

this is very interesting, seems like they are placing themselves in direct competition with the protools/venue/dshow system that does a very similar job, although not quite as specialised i think?

one thing im not sure on is do you still need a soundcard when running with a yamaha board or does the board become the soundcard and just dump the audio straight onto the computer drive?

You just need to perform 2 actions to start recording in Logic. Dialog appears with number of tracks you want to record. In there you select the inputs in sequential order and arm them. Then press record. How hard can it be? It only costs $150 and can do way more than recording!!! Ok, it doesn't have connectivity to 1 digital mixer series. But is that worth over $300???

Sorry, but what is the problem with $300? Seriously, for someone working professionally in live business, this is NOTHING. For that extra little $150 you can have a close connection to a live mixing console, which is a godsend. Sure you can perform simple recording with common DAWs (have done it with Nuendo (and partly PT) for years). But standard RF64 file format recording and session handling seems to very interesting in Nuendo Live at least from what one can read on their website. And, no plug-in support. Plug-ins are one of the most critical sources for stability problems in a live-environment. That's why a good live-setup has all its plug-ins on a DSP inside the console, not on a separate computer.

However, if you wanna go with Logic for live-rec, then do so. Everyone has its own preference. IMHO I even wouldn't use it in a studio anymore (thought I have used it until version 7), but that's just me. As owner of Nuendo and ProTools, to me Nuendo Live seems to be a clever move to connect live with studio work.

I agree with this. I've been running Nuendo on PC seamlessly for over ten years now and the addition of a streamlined version specifically for live is fantastic. The important thing to remember is that in a live situation you only get one shot... $329 for that kind of peace of mind is a no-brainer.

I'm sure all the DAWs are reliable enough, but it's their 1000 extra features which can cause user error that make them scary to use. Nuendo live is designed to make it easy to set up live projects quickly. If you do live recording often, I would think dedicated software is worth every penny.

As far as I know, Nuendo Live does take channel names from the new Yamaha mixers.

~Jay

It's not the $300 that is the issue here. The question is why spend $300 for something that only integrates with Yamaha CL consoles and records when you can do the same (recording) with other DAWs? What about the rest of the digital consoles? Or are there only CL consoles in your neck of the bush?

As for RF64 it's not even an issue because Logic can overcome the BWF limitation by recording in CAF. I agree that you don't need plug-ins for live recordings. So what? Don't use them. Not an issue either.

I've done live recordings with Logic, less with Pro Tools and has worked flawlessly for me. I can understand you not knowing much about Logic's newer features since you stopped using it a while ago.

This is an interesting product for Steinberg/Yamaha clients mostly. Not a game changer IMHO.

Dont forget that DONGLE for your live gig or youll be downloading Reaper from your cell phone to get through the day haha

Cl consoles are VERY common on the riders , so yes, in my bush, very common request.
Not a game changer but perfect for Yamaha Digital Console users. You can use it with any other console as well but with less control from the console itself. IMO, who cares about that anyway. I can easily push the star key on the keypad to get recording. It also has a lock out from what I read so some dumbhead doesnt stop your recording by accident.

That said, I would do just fine with Logic or Reaper recording a live show

been there, done that

~Jay

Nice if you get some hardware integration.

But I fail to see the advantage for any other hardware combination. People have recorded big shows with small laptops and a good interface. If there's anything that can be taylored to be used in for live recording the way you need it exactly, it's Reaper.

That dongle's not a good thing either, but a serious risk, whereas I could carry any number of USB sticks, all ready to run the same copy of Reaper with the same portable settings.

And Reaper can run to incoming timecode just fine (LTC, MTC), timestamp files(BWAV chunk), split at designated filesizes, name them very flexibly and record to losslessly compressed files too if you wish. All the buffering can be configured to be as safe you want it to be, so quite honestly, if you're running an interface that this Nuendo Live application is customized to work with, like the console that was mentioned, I can see the attraction.

But other than that, I don't. It's just another option that's useful for just one thing. That's not enough these days, IMHO.

I think being limited to just one thing is supposed to be it's strength.

No one is claiming this to be a complete game changer, and obviously the task can be done with lots of other DAWs, but I think it's kind of nice with a dedicated package.

There is:

- Integration with Yamaha CL consoles. Great for people who just received their own CL5. Like me

- 60 second pre-record buffer. This alone is a god-send. At least for me - can't speak for you guys, but I readily admit to having been caught by surprise by the band starting without warning or the announcer or someone stepping on to the stage and the audience beginning to clap, which should also have been recorded.

- Lock out - no accidental stopping.

- Special care have apparently been taken to make the disk writing process robust, so you can be sure to have your recording all the way up to the point of whatever accident (power failure etc.) might have happened.

- Easy patching to multiple outputs - perfect for virtual soundcheck and such.

I will still be using Reaper as my standard DAW, but for live recording, I might be using Nuendo Live mostly - but ok, I got it for "free". And as a Reaperite I of course have to express my distain for the stupid dongle.

I think you've misread my post. It's not at all about the features all other DAWs deliver. Logic has more features than Nuendo Live. Tick. It's about design. I don't want to have all the plug-ins and features I have in my studio Nuendo and my PT HD rig. I don't want to have setup options and instable driver support, video/sync etc. All I want to have is a cleaned up software, that offers some good hardware integration, is reliable and easy to setup. Nuendo Live has a dedicated record panel and handles different recording sessions with automated naming schemes in their Record Panel. THAT is important when you record live.

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