Ghost Analog cable is intended only for interconnection of line level devices ? I’ve seen no mention of its possible use as a microphone cable in this thread so far.

Just purchased 2 x 10ft to replace my monitoring cables.

Very interested in the results.

I will post back here.

You can absolutely use Ghost Analog as microphone cable and inherit the same qualities as line level use. Im convinced that with unpowered dynamic and ribbon mics in particular, Ghost is able to shine a little further by becoming a passive infusion of mic and preamp.

There are already a few studios using Ghost Analog as mic cable including a new studio in San Diego (a Satellite studio of the well known Studio West) that recently wired both their control room (to and from their 32 channel Neve) and live rooms with 2500 feet of Ghost Analog. Their engineers, Jeff Berkley and Amelia Sarkisian, tell me often how much they are loving the Ghost in their walls.

Awesome orco, thank you! Your cables are made and are now on the cooker for a few days. Your review here, however acclaimed or critical, would be most welcome!

Hi, any chance you will ship from europe at some point?

I was about to pull the trigger on some TPR and very interested to try ghost cable, but the shipping price (as seen on the website) + import taxes from US will bring the price way up compared to (please gearspace, show the TPR manufacturers name and not the smilie..) which ships from netherlands.

Thanks and keep up the good work! I love it when sound pro´s get down to R&D and come up with such innovative solutions at at decent price point (vs HIFI crazyness)

Any plan to do an RCA version for home systems?

Yes, in 2023 we will open European distribution that will ship from Italy, but for now im shipping all international orders from Orange County, CA.

Our international shipping option uses UPS Worldsaver which averages about $20 per shipment, but of course we cant predict each country's import taxes. If you get in touch after ordering, there are things we can do to minimize those.

And thank you for the encouraging words! btw if you capitalize Grimm it goes thru.

Yes, the Ghost RCA will use the same single pole matte green cable from Ghost Instrument and will be live on our site by Xmas.

Unfortunately, the Neutrik RCA connectors right now are quite pricey.. The tellurium version isn't that much more so we may only offer Ghost+ for the RCA cables. When you buy 500 tellurium connectors you get a substantial discount.

Did I miss the website link by chance?

You mean for Ghost Cable? It is www.GhostCable.com

Here's my issue with what is being claimed and presented:

The reference that you would "tune" a system using different cabling is completely absurd to me. I don't get it at all. Why would anyone want to change the performance of their system via the cabling instead of just using the most transparent product available and tuning the system appropriately?

Why is the "proof" in the performance of these products always relying on subjective listening instead of presenting measurements of actual differences in result? And forgive me if this information has been presented somewhere. I've looked and all I see is marketing that isn't backed by actual data/measurements.

Perhaps I'm not the target audience. So maybe not worth the effort. But if you wanted to win those like me over instead of stating things like "in our tests with tellurium copper vs other copper alloys we learned that the last half inch of metal used on either end of a copper wire can affect the overall performance of the cable", it would be perhaps more beneficial to replace the text with the actual testing methodology and results.

The whole "burning in" of the cable resulting in directionality is another claim that could easily be measured and presented with non-ambiguous data. But instead we just have to take someone's word for it in an unquantifiable statement lacking in any specifics.

"In our tests, we prefer the sound of gold contacting gold over any unmatched metal to metal contact". I like gold plated connectors too. Because it resists corrosion. But if there is a claim in a difference in sound and claims of testing - again I wonder why the test procedures and results aren't published in order to satisfy folks that may have questions about the claims?

That being said, they look cool and the price is not outrageous compared to others out there making dubious claims without any actual verifiable data. I certainly wish you the best and want to clarify that while I am skeptical of some of the things that have been posted about the product I am not saying it wouldn't live up to the marketing. And I'm not suggesting it isn't a quality product. Only that relying on ears to reinforce marketing information that could easily be demonstrated by measurements/data sure seems the norm when it comes to the latest and greatest cable.

Thank you Bstapper for taking the time to write a 'challenge' post that isn't rooted in personal attack. I appreciate that!

My preferred conversation about cable (and gear in general) is not with audiophiles or cable deniers, but with professional music engineers and producers who have learned to rely on their ears to make informed decisions and purchases. These are people that will read about an EQ and perhaps listen to some examples, but who ultimately have to get the box in their rooms and kick the tires themselves before committing. In fact the more someone tries to convince them thru hype or science, the more suspect they become because they know the solo drill. The solo drill has earned many of them success in this very difficult industry. It is their superpower of truth deduction that no one can mess with.

Ironically, it is the audiophiles and cable deniers that ask me questions designed to bolster proof that Ghost cable sounds better than another cable. The audiophiles ask me why Ghost cable isn't cryogenically treated or why our copper isn't 7N or 9N or why Ghost isn't quad or why Ghost isn't solid core. They ask these questions not for their ears, but in order to reach a mental threshold that would allow Ghost to sound better than a $1000 cable that has already passed such a threshold. When I say to them, 'let your ears decide', they laugh in condescension and write me off.

And the cable deniers ask me questions intending to uncover proof (or lack thereof) that wire can influence sound in the first place. As though Ghost cable is going to be the first cable that somehow overcomes their threshold of proof. I am honored to be given the chance to do what their prior 200 conversations with other 'cable enthusiasts' wasn't able to accomplish, but as a veteran mastering engineer who values the solo drill of discovery, I cannot suddenly switch into a car salesman and start manipulating minds with data. When I say to them, 'let your ears decide', they laugh in condescension and write me off.

I have no problem refunding someone who buys Ghost Cable and determines 1) they heard no difference from the cable they were using prior or 2) they heard a difference, but it wasn't enough to justify the cost of Ghost or 3) they heard a difference but it moved the sound in an opposite direction of what they desired. Unfortunately, id have to limit this to a 15 day return policy for people buying only in the USA because getting a VAT refund is a very arduous process, not to mention there's no shipping refunds. But if you're in the US, you get 15 days and Id cover shipping one way. This may or may not work long term, but here at the start I have no problem offering it.

Hopefully this will encourage someone to buy Ghost, do some tests and post them here for others to listen. For many reasons, I cannot get involved in online testing. I can and will however test with anyone who shows up at my studio door here in Orange County. PM me if local and interested.

I agree that using a cable to tune a system is the wrong approach, especially for things like playback where you should be going for accuracy and linearity. I really do wish all these cables sounded the same. It'd make things SO much easier. If you do find two cables to sound different, the question then becomes how do you know which cable is the more accurate one? I don't have any measurement devices to come up with completely objective results. However, I did come up with a way that was at least partially objective in its approach. If you're simply switching back and forth between cables in listening tests, you can never establish which is more accurate or neutral, as your reference point for what neutral is supposed to be can vary and it's inside your head.

So I came up with this double DAC test where you were still listening and using your ears as the measuring tool, however, there was now an objective point of reference for what neutral what was supposed to be. I could flip in real time between two options: DAC and DAC+X cable. The first being the reference of what neutral is (by definition) where you are listening to just the internal DAC, and the second being the variable with the same duplicate DAC but with the cable also added in the signal path. So any differences heard in sound between these two modes could be attributed to the addition of the cable. The ultimate goal of this test was to find a cable that would bring little to no differences between modes 1 and 2, i.e. a cable that had no impact on the sound. I've written about this previously on the Grimm thread in more details. It's not a perfect and fully self contained objective test, but it's at least partially rooted in pursuit for objectivity.

I do wish these differences between cables were easily shown in measurements so we could pinpoint and say that X is happening because of Y. It's an electrical signal after all, there is no magic involved. If current tests show no differences between cables in the full suite of measurements, there are only two explanations: 1) Those hearing the differences are delusional. 2) We are not measuring all the things or domains that we SHOULD be measuring. Something is being missed.

About the connectors, I have yet to test out the Tellurium connectors and have only ever used Neutrik Gold connectors. I have no opinion as to if they make a difference or not sonically. It'd have seemed silly to even consider this a few years ago as it's such a small part of the cable run. However, I did a few experiments to see how short I could make a cable and whether at short lengths, would all these cables start sounding the same? I used Grimm TPR and Canare quad cut at both 2 feet and 10 feet pairs with identical connectors across the 8 cables. I found that the 2 feet and 8 feet of TPR sounded identical, and the 2 feet and 8 feet of TPR sounded identical. However, the 2 feet of TPR and 2 feet of Canare quad sounded noticeably different. So even at a short length of 2 feet, the cables already had their signature sound present. This has also held true with other Mogami and Gotham models where the longer and short pair of the same model sounded the same. I'm sure when you go really long, differences will start to occur, which we can all agree and understand. However, for short lengths, varying the length didn't make any differences in sound.

I'm guessing this unique sound signature would have remained even if I went down to 1 feet from the 2 feet I tested. But then you start thinking, what if you went even shorter like 6 inch or 3 inch or 1 inch. Would the differences still be there between 1 inch of TPR an 1 inch of Canare quad? How short do we need to make these cables before they start sounding the same. It's an interesting question to think about IMO. If even at 1 inch they sounded different, NOW you could start thinking hmmm maybe the short length of the connectors do make some impact. All of a sudden, it doesn't sound so insane.

I've gone as short as 6 inch for an AES cable but it becomes very tight to bend the wire and make the connection. If I had a lot more space and a deeper and wider rack, I could maybe try putting the 2 connecting equipment back to back to make these sub 1 feet connections happen.

^ Having said all that, I still think WAV files speak the loudest. As previously mentioned, something like this is the way to go with listening samples:

https://www.puremix.net/blog/are-all...-the-same.html

If I had an ADC, I'd have already done it myself. Those with an ADC and these cables can maybe create something like above.

I just received my ghost+ cable, in Europe.

First of all I want to mention that I don't have "golden ears" nor am I a mixing or mastering engineer, I produce music and love to mix my own music and sometimes I do it for others.

Receiving these cables is kinda the ending of a journey that started like 3 years ago, I was in a music store and saw some Vovox cables and asked the guy from the store what's special about them as the price was quite high compared to the usual aspects. He couldn't tell me much more than that they are from Swiss (I lived there, when somebody is serious about quality its them and Japan). So I was curious, so I bought a cable and used it in my setup, without really a/bing them... a few month later I changed some cables (again) and found out that also the sound changed a little (lets call it more open), after back and forth I was sure the sound changed because of the Vovox cable. That was the first time I really witnessed it.

So I googled a little and found a lot of information about this topic, some stuff sound esoteric other pages where quite scientific and another page, was this thread

To make a long story short. After reading a lot about this topic, I was sure I will order these cables when they are released and also will end this search (not really the most interesting part about making music).

I am listing with my current setup since 2 years (Dutch & Dutch 8c, Merging Anubis and some Cordial cables (pretty basic)). I changed the cables today and I can clearly hear a difference, like the bass is a bit more focused and a bit more overall clarity than before.

So all in all, I just wanted to say: Cables are defiantly not the most important thing in your chain, you won't hear a Night & Day difference.
Its something you can try out if the rest of your components are already as good as you want them and you ask yourself if there could be some improvement (for example..). Then try some cables and just find it out. Google gives you a lot of information and questioning things is healthy but theres a German saying (Probieren geht über Studieren) wich means:
trying out goes over studying (aka "use your ears"). So its your choice, try it and hear or just skip this point and leave your setup as it is.

those were my cents to this topic..

Cheers to Robb, who went really deep in this topic to pursue perfection and came quite close, out of my perspective.

And thanks to zoom25, who reported his tests to all the readers of the Grimm TPR thread. Its that kind of contribution that makes me love forums like this one.

Thanks PeterPetz for your direct feedback. The monitor path is the best place to start and I think in time you will come to appreciate Ghost across a wide variety of music. Low end changes are often the most immediate at first, but keep on listening and swapping if you have the patience, as other differences can become apparent over time.

The 8Cs are amazing speakers which Ive owned in the past. They are extremely capable of expressing differences between cable, even more so than my current ATCs.

I tell people that If their monitoring situation isn't the best, there's no point in spending money on cables. Start saving up for better speakers or headphones before even thinking about cable.

Speaking of headphones, I have purchased the 1/8th inch tellurium connectors needed to make a Ghost headphone cable out of the balanced Ghost Analog wire. We will be using this test cable on our Slate VSX headphones to learn if differences can be identified and appreciated over the stock cable. I haven't been a fan of Slate stuff over the years, but these room modeling headphones have slowly won me over. I will report back on this in a few weeks.

This is all I want to know.
If I connected my SPL Mercury and put Mogami etc on one output and Ghost + on another output and summed them outboard with 2 identical mono audio files and inverted the phase on one of them would I get audible results coming out of the speakers?

If you want to explore something of that nature, you have to eliminate as many variables as possible.

So just a loop back using the same output and input with no other modifications to the signal path other than swapping of cable.

You can’t count on the tolerance of components via using two different outputs to render the same exact result, even if they should.

There are verified measurable differences between cable. I have yet to see verified measurable differences in the direction of a cable (that hasn’t been modified to solve a problems between different manufacturer methods of balancing/“pseudo” balancing equipment or otherwise modified in a misguided attempt to hope the shield works as an attenuator unwanted *outside* influence on the signal and not an antenna).

I’m an open minded skeptic. Always willing to entertain *proof*.

And with the directional claims of some cable companies I often wonder why they don’t care about the electrons feeding the opposite direction…

Thanks for your response! I wonder if you thought the Ghost+ is an improvement over the Vovox or Grimm cables - or if you only compared to the Cordial (which are not bad cables btw)?

No I didn`t went this route.. I am not a mastering engineer nor do I want to get stuck in cable tests, I try to focus on producing. Also I guess on that level, its not just "improvement" also taste plays a role. Luckily, Zoom25 tested all the above mentioned cables tho and reported them in the Grimm TPR thread so if you want to read about the differences of those, he went way deeper and is also way better in explaining the differences in words than I am, so best is to filter the thread to see his reports.

Cheers

Yeah that would work too. Simple. If yes then I am in.

Im after practical results from my gear purchases. Subtle shifts resulting in -90dB audible differences have negligible impact on the master in my experience.

Changing converters would have a far greater impact than that.

Aha! Great. Thanks!

So basically your are saying you are not interested in how it sounds but you would buy it if a phase invert test gives you a result over -90db difference?

Interesting approach.

Just to add my 2 pennies to this party, I run Ghost beta from interface to amp. Before that Grimm TPR. Before that I used various Van Damme everywhere and lived by "this is good cable, topic closed".

Well, when I first tried Grimm TPR to the monitors/amp my jaw hit the floor. And I felt like a fool for having spent decades doing this without realising what cables in important positions can change. To me it was no less than changing the speakers to a plus model of what they had been with the Van Damme, which isn't exactly junk. And I started comparing cables to monitors and for mic cable and realised that indeed cables have a sonic signature. Not obvious in all positions, but in monitoring and also as mic cables most definitely.

I now have Ghost beta on the monitors, as it felt more relaxed and overall more full than TPR. The Grimm did have some insanely etched mids though. Still to try this now finished Ghost and hoping it might get me some of those mids back whilst keeping the overall shape nice and full/deep in the bottom. The TPR is a bit lean and tight round the bass end.

So, to many talking like this about cable will seem like bs. I can't help you with that, nor am I of the mind to set up tests to prove anything. In use it is so obvious it is way beyond expectation bias illusion stuff. Try some and see is all I can say. Try some Grimm TPR first even. As that is a " very different to other cable" sound that will jump at you. Makes the black in the background more black and noise levels go down noticeably.

I am a believer in different cables - different sound. A friend and part time gear pusher came over to my studio and offered to demo a fantastic xlr cable a few years back. It took me about 1/10 of a second to realise, that I had to buy it to use from my summing mixer to the Convert AD+. This one: http://www.jenving.com/products/view...dio-1001906443 They are not cheap - but not hifi-cork-sniffing-insane-expensive either. A 1m long XLR is under 200 EUR/USD excluding taxes these days. Contacts are welded in place, not soldered, which supposedly is better... Well, it sounds powerful, at least. They also have a slightly more expensive one with Rhodium connectors now, that I have not tried. By now I have like 10 of these in the most critical locations. I have compared to monster 1000 and an expensive silver plated xlr (Chord Company Chameleon Plus) and to various less expensive ones - and it just sounds the best. Clear and uncoloured. Fast. The silver plated cable sounds a lot lighter and brighter, which can have its merits. I would be very interested in hearing a comparison or review between the Ghost+ and the Sword. I guess I have to do it myself... :D Perhaps I will wait for the EU distribution, which should be simpler, faster, cheaper - and possibly mean a 15 day return policy? Buying stuff from outside of the EU means a lot of extra charges and weeks of waiting for the customs people to get around to your particular package. There are some companies that offer pre-payment and pre-clearing of customs, which should be something worth investigating and offering for the Ghost folks.

I'm one of those lucky guys who had a chance to try this new ghost cable. I'm not into technical details of a cable, I don't understand them and honestly I don't really care as long as the product delivers a great sound. I have the same approach with all my gears and monitors.
All I know is that this cable sounds great, I used it with my AKG mic and compared vs the Mogami I had the difference is quite noticeable in terms of definition. I leave all the tech discussions to the guys who know much more than me but as far as I'm concerned this cable is really great and it is of remarkable quality.

No. But if its giving you transient information showing up round -30dB or whatever that would be something worth investigating.

I said -90dB (and should have added or less) because that's about the differences with cable brands from my cursory look into the issue. Some have phase changes up to -70dB from the audio I have checked out.

I am interested in how it sounds. Hence the question.

Interesting. Never heard of anyone welding the wire to the pins.

btw all Ghost cables are soldered with Cardas Quad Eutectic solder which uses a blend of silver, copper, tin & lead. I like knowing there's a little pure copper and silver in there. It melts fast, flows beautifully, hardens shiny without spider cracks and has resulted in far fewer cold joints than anything else I've used to date.

Thanks! About half of our sales since launch have been from overseas. My wife is researching various prepay / clearance services, so hopefully we'll have one in place soon.

Good to hear about the upmarket solder!

Fantastic news about the plan for overseas smoothness! Go wifey! :D

Funny Mark and I had a conversation around 2 years ago. He was excited about the cable and nice to see him bringing to market. Not a casual effort and he’s a very open (no pun intended lol!), serious person who did his homework.,..

Thank you for the kind words ardis.

Blue Jeans Cable has ultrasonically welded some of their cables for years now. Theory being… mechanical joint is more solid than soldering, PLUS you don’t need to add another material into the mix. Have their speaker cable in my home system - Belden something and their bananas.