LiquidSonics introduces Reverberate 2.0
by The Press Desk   31st October 2015

These are good times indeed.

Ok - now we're talking!

Been playing with the beta for the last couple of weeks. Big smiles! Really big smiles!!!

Which Bricasti library are you using?

R.

Download speeds for libraries are quite poor. Looks like I need to wait for tomorrow before I'd be able to play with the new M7.

Was really waiting for this one!

The library is new I believe. A joint effort between Bricasti and LS.

Oh really? Interesting!

R.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's new.

That is correct. There are 2 fusion IR libraries, one that brings the presets from the Briscati M7 (which some had a taste through regular IRs) and one new fusion IR library from Reverberate. I hope Casey (Briscati) and Matt (LiquidSonics) drop by anytime to give us some further thoughts on this one. Sounds freaking amazing btw, the M7 library is so cool!

Review and video coming soon.

Hi

The Fusion-IR libraries are both new, created specifically for Reverberate 2's new processing technology. It's created quite differently than usual where a swept sine is used, those give great signal to noise but you lose all the modulation characteristics in the process because basically it is an averaging operation. Fusion-IR works by taking lots of instantaneous snapshots and processing them all at the same time, modulating the input across them all. It recreates how the unit sounds at different points in time, and that really helps get closer to the hardware's sound in the way it mixes with a source and organically evolves with time. I think it's a real improvement!

This is a third party M7 library that Casey is happy to see distributed for free rather than anything official from Bricasti (just for the avoidance of confusion). That said, we have had some really interesting discussions behind the scenes about how to do the convolution thing a little bit differently than before and that's definitely influenced the direction I've gone in here! So kudos to Casey.

As for the server speed observation - acknowledged - I am genuinely seeing 200x the normal load at the moment and it's crawling a bit. I'm in the process of setting up some mirrors on Amazon's cloud so if the regular downloads don't speed up soon I'll be switching to those. Usually it serves pretty quickly, but I'm pleased to see interest is high! Probably a little higher than expected.

I love Reverberate its probably my favorite convolution plugin. Can't wait to try v2.0

Are fusion irs similar to nebula captures?

Mainly no. Nebula is more concerned with high order distortion reproduction using volterra kernels, it needs do to a lot of parallel convolution to do it so there is some similarity there, but pretty much it's a different idea due to the way the multiple convolution streams need to be implemented (and the sampling tech isn't the same either). Different solution for a different objective really.

Are these new M7 ir's or the ones done by Samplicity?

Sitting at >12 hours to download the M7 IRs (I think that means "arrrggghhhh, too many people!", lol). Took 2 hours to dl Reverberate v2 with the factory presets. It appears there are no Fusion/M7 presets or IRs with the main download - correct?

Looks like it will be next week sometime before I can try this out. Oh well, I'm sure it will be worth the wait (the existing M7 IRs from Samplicity already sound very good in Reverbertate 2).

Matt, just a future request, if possible don't require a system restart as part of a plugin install. For those of us with large sample libraries
loaded in VEPro on hosts, restarts can mean 30-45 minutes of waiting for reloads (after waiting 2 hours for a download).

Also, I haven't compared to v1, but is cpu usage lower now in v2? It doesn't seem to be registering as much of a bump (seems less than Flux Verb now - used to be a little more).
Will Fusion require more cpu usage, or similar?

50 euros for the upgrade? No thank you.

I'd pay more than 50 for the new Bricasti IR's alone!

So I got the new M7 library downloaded, sounds quite different from Samplecity's variant -- a lot warmer and much less ringy. Seems like it blends better with the source. Quite pleased.

An long time favorite just became still better - love it!

Is it possible to say which method might reproduce reverbs more realistically?

I guess what I'm asking is; is "Reverberate2" a more 'artistic' or 'random' modulation of the incoming signal, or does it try to make the reverb behave in certain ways depending on the incoming signal?

For example; will low volume signals vs high volume signals tend to get their own (IE more or less deterministic) kind of reverb treatment, or will they both be affected in completely random ways (IE input-signal is basically irrelevant)?

Did you DL the 44.1 or 96Khz ?

re the download speeds. Using a download manager ( igetter in my case), i'm getting huge improvement in the estimated time. 3 hrs instead of 12 hours for the 44k bricasti lib.

That's at 96.

Would be great if some additional slots for other I.R were introduced. As is, it is absolutely awesome for purely reverb duties but I'd like to load up some speakers I.R, preamps I.R before or after reverbs without loading up another instance of reverberate etc, etc

Hmm, don't understand. You can load any IRs into it that you want.
EDIT: OK, you mean a third slot, right? What prevents you from adding another instance of reverberate?

Is it possible for users to create their own FIRs? If so, how?

Are more coming form Liquidsonics?

No, all done using LiquidSonics gear. It wasn't just a fire and forget capture experience that I could outsource, this took a lot of experimenting to work out just how this approach needed to be done, and hours of automated captures to do it (hmmm where was the Exponential Audio M7 control plugin when I needed it ). For those interested, it's made using an AES-EUB digital path into a Motu 896mk3 at 96 kHz (and then downsampled to 44 kHz for the lower rate set).

Correct. I didn't want to make the main download much larger so people have the option of only downloading the really large bits they want.

Noted, but I think this is necessary to get Windows to notice the path for some external DLLs that are installed.

The regular convolution engine is unchanged. The Fusion-IR engine is heavier (more memory and CPU needed) but a lot of work has been done to ensure that the 8x processing load over regular true stereo convolution doesn't impose an 8x overhead. Overall, I'm pretty happy with the way it runs on a reasonably modern CPU.



Precisely my intention.

It's random, it doesn't select IRs based on the input frequency/volume etc. The point is to randomly walk across the set of IRs quite slowly to capture that evolving sound. Maybe some reverbs do have dynamics in them, but this won't capture it.

That's called an arms race. The mirrors will be up in a few hours, backed by Amazon, so if we can bring that down...

If one reverb followed by one processing (e.g. cabinet) IR is OK, there is a topology control that lets you pass the IRs in series rather than in parallel. I see the logic for adding extra containers, some people have asked it go entirely modular, and others say it's too complex already. One of those tricky balancing acts.

Yes, or more precisely, yes in future. I'll be making the file format public but it will require a bit of a nerd to use it so I'll probably work with a few keen individuals first before taking it to the wider audience. Also, a tool will really be needed to make it simple for people that don't like the idea of diving into Octave/Matlab/Python. BUT beware any reverb you want to capture needs to be on an extremely low noise path or it's going to grab all the muck and dirt in a pretty obvious way (maybe some people like the sound of a noisy DAC, but I don't that much so have worked hard to keep these IRs really clean). We usually do swept sine to keep the noise in an IR sampling process under control, but Fusion-IR is incompatible with that, so we can't fake super clean IRs out of noisy old classics with this. Maybe some will see that as a good thing though.

Pretty likely in future, so now is the time for ideas.

Absolutely nothing. As I said, for convenience sake, I don't want to open yet another instance, and I want to tune the overall setting from a single GUI, + the additional bonus of saving everything with a single preset.

I was asking for this since the very birth of this plugin. One way of simplifying this task is to create a set up page in which one can choose how many slots is needed for a certain task; similar to how DMG plugins are made with global settings tab. Or simply add a "+", "-" sign at the upper right GUI corner that would allow to add or remove additional slots.