Originally Posted by trevon ➡️

I dont see this being a bad concept if you exclusively used softube plugins. would of peaked more of my interest if it controlled the daw's too and was a fullout mixer/controller. I think if they upgrade it with more capabilities to use other plugs or daw this might be worth the 1000.

Originally Posted by phas3d ➡️

@Myrok
Apart from the tedious midi mapping you seem to forget that there are only 16 midi channels available. Nowadays that's 1/4 of the tracks used in a mixing session.

Originally Posted by Myrok ➡️

If by tedious you mean 5-10 minutes, one time.. sure.. not exactly what I would call tedious if it can save me $1,000.

Yup there are only 16 channels, but becasue there are 128 CC messages within each channel you can easily split it between 0-64 and 65-127.

Which is exactly what the console 1 does, I suspect... if you look at the row of channel selectors, you have 1-16, and then a "secondary" 1-16, which gives you to 32... does the console 1 offer more than 32 channels? If not, it woud be my guess that is exactly how the console 1 talks to the plugin, but I could be wrong, there is more than 1 way to skin the cat.

Anyway, if you wanted to expand to 32 channels, all you would have to do is map out the secondary CC's to an identical version of the channel strip, and save the channel strip as "Console 1 Secondary Channels" or something similar. So now when you drop the secondary version of the saved channel strip, you will have an entirely different set of values controlling it, which opens you up to 16 more channels.

Depending on how many CC messages you have to send, I suspect it would be between 30-50 depending on what plugins or channel strip you decide to use, you could even do a third teir that could expand you to 48 channels.

It would really only take a half hour to an hour to set up all three teirs, you only have to program each tier once and the settings are saved with your channel strip. If that's really too tedious for you, then by all means go drop a grand on a proprietary controller and be happy with it, but don't be surprised when people laugh at how ludicrously overpriced it seems.

Originally Posted by trevon ➡️

granted if they upgrade it to control daw's, add some dsp power and bring in 3rd party plugs i will for sure be putting it on my list of things i want but cant get due to my stern but beautiful wife.

Originally Posted by Myrok ➡️

K, I'll try and get around to it this weekend, currently in the middle of a remodel and dont have my studio, so no promises this weekend, but here's the basics:

- Take any midi controller that can output multi-channel midi CC messages.

- Select a plugin strip VST like Alloy or SSL, or create your own plugin strip with multiple plugins like your favorite EQ, Gate, Compressor, Transient Designer, etc.

- Save the plugin strip as a setting, for the sake of this we could call it "Console 1"

Now, for each channel that you input that plugin strip on, you'll want to control with a different midi channel. So the first track you drop the plugin on will be controlled by midi channel 1, the second track midi channel 2, and so on and so forth.

- Decide what knobs you want to control what function, and map out the first midi channel accordingly.

- Save this mapping so that your controller is automatically set to control these functions.

So now you have the first channel set up and working for any track you drop it on.

"Yes, but how do I get it to control multiple channels automatically?"

Well it's not that tough. Let's say you now want to drop it on another track to be controlled by midi channel 2. Well, just drop the saved plugin settings onto the next track, and in the midi mapping area of your daw, switch the duplicated parameters from Midi channel 1 --> Midi channel 2... you should be able to do it in one or two clicks. Now, on your midi controller there should be a simple button for changing the midi channel settings. So, all you have to do in order to switch between controlling the channels is hit that button. If your midi controller doesn't have that option, you can program one of the buttons to switch between channels.

Then if you want to do the same thing for another channel, it's a pretty easy proccess. Drop the channel strip, change the programmed midi channel, and it's ready to go.

Originally Posted by gravyface ➡️

That's kind of where I'm at with this. In fairness to Softube, the controller market is anything but established: prices and quality are all over the map and the DAW, plugin, and controller vendors aren't exactly making it turn-key. I don't blame Softube for saying f*ck it, and just building their own controller that only controls their plugins.

What I would like to see is if the Softube plugin/controller becomes a defacto standard, maybe even licenseable by 3rd-party plugin vendors so they can develop, market and distribute their plugins as add-on plugin packs for the Softube controller. Now that would be something truly revolutionary for the industry.

Originally Posted by thehightenor ➡️

Competition is always a good thing, and as a heavy UAD user I'd love to see UA do a take on this concept that worked with all their plugins but included a motorised fader and FX sends so I don't need two or more controllers.

UA already have a huge number of UAD plugins all of which are very good, but they have always lacked a proper controller and hopefully Softube will inspire/push them to get into this market.

Originally Posted by gravyface ➡️

I just want the controller vendors, plugin vendors, and DAW vendors to settle on a standard means of communication and mapping so that we the consumers can stop having to resort to compromises and workarounds with our setups

Originally Posted by gravyface ➡️

I just want the controller vendors, plugin vendors, and DAW vendors to settle on a standard means of communication and mapping so that we the consumers can stop having to resort to compromises and workarounds with our setups.

Originally Posted by Myrok ➡️

That already exists, it's called MIDI.

Originally Posted by TRW ➡️

The plugin is always mono>stereo right? So you have the panner in the plugin and the panner in your DAW.

Originally Posted by ohjim ➡️

what will be the cost of the next emulation of a neve console? is it going to be a free update?

Originally Posted by trevon ➡️

I have to admit your way of setting up a cheaper controller the extra work involved would damn sure be worth saving 1000.

Originally Posted by Myrok ➡️

Which is exactly what the console 1 does, I suspect... if you look at the row of channel selectors, you have 1-16, and then a "secondary" 1-16, which gives you to 32... does the console 1 offer more than 32 channels? If not, it woud be my guess that is exactly how the console 1 talks to the plugin, but I could be wrong, there is more than 1 way to skin the cat.

Originally Posted by Softube ➡️

Myrok left out the part where you buy $700 dollars worth of plug-ins. Plus you still don't get track control and the single window view that the Console 1 system offers.



There is no theoretical limit to the track count in Console 1, the only limit is your computer's CPU resources. Feel free to share any critique you may have of the product, but please base it on facts.

Cheers,
Henrik

Originally Posted by arnew ➡️

I ordered Console 1, I believe its a perfect match with my Avid Artist Mix as I am tired of doing one parameter at the time by mouse - its all about a preferred workflow. Since I cannot afford a real analog desk, Console 1 may be the closest I can get at the moment.

Originally Posted by arnew ➡️

I ordered Console 1, I believe its a perfect match with my Avid Artist Mix as I am tired of doing one parameter at the time by mouse - its all about a preferred workflow. Since I cannot afford a real analog desk, Console 1 may be the closest I can get at the moment.