HI did a search, but noting nailed on the head in first glance.

so, is anyone out there actively using both Logic 8 and PT 8 at this point? If so, what are your thoughts?
I am a PT user first, but have been using Logic for the past 2 years or so. I found it just a superior compsition tool over PT with regards to MIDI and such. Now, it looks like PT 8 has caught up (and maybe then some) with Logic with regards to MIDI implementation and included soft synths and instruments, and other cool features. I also know Logic is probably going to be getting an upgrade soon, be it major or minor, so this might be an impending game of neverending catchup, but nonetheless, always interesting to talk about.

looking forward to hearing your thoughts?

also, another reason why I am contemplating moving back to PT, is due to the amazing sound of a BLA modded 002r, which my band has almost finished recording a full-length on and I cannot get over how nice it sounds. It honestly, to me, is sonically likable to an HD rig. unreal...for the price, it smokes.

I too was contemplating this, and couldn't find anything on the forum about it.

In the end I bought both, but have been too busy working to install either. When I get back from my writing trip, I'll definitely do it, and report back on my preferred workflow.

But I'm hoping that PT 8 will be a logic killer for me, so that I can make digitranslater redundant on my system, and keep the whole process in one program.

Get both, thats what I did here. If one is giving me issues i ALWAYS have the other to open up. Logic to me still seems like a more complete INSTRUMENT if you will.
Protools 8 was a MAJOR step up form 7 IMO, however, you still have to pick up Mellowmuses ATA plugin for latency issues from plugins and ext hardware.

I like both but for diff reasons, Seriously though Protools 8 is a huge upgrade from 7

I've used both for many years, mostly for midi production and post production audio editing. For straight audio editing, I find Pro Tools much easier, faster and more intuitive, but I think it's also just because I'm used to it. I'm sure I could get equally comfortable with Logic, but something about the audio editing just seems not as easy and fast as Pro Tools. Both programs seem to have some minor flaws which no matter how minor, prevent me from sticking with just one program.

In Pro Tools, its the fact that the loop playback / record doesn't quite function as gracefully as Logic or other programs. Can't quite explain it, but sometimes you have it on loop and it doesn't loop. Or you can't change the loop setting while its playing and have it automatically recognize that without stopping playback first. And the way the midi-merge recording works is not quite as graceful in PT as it is in Logic, Reason or Live.

I think price-wise, if you're working on small projects and budgets, there is a strong argument to be made for logic, because for $500 you get a TON of really good stock instruments and plug-ins. I really wish Pro Tools had some of the Logic plug-ins in it. PT definitely improved with the AIR stuff included in 8, but IMHO it's only catching up to what logic has already had for years and Logic's stock stuff is still superior. A couple examples are the Space Designer, the ES2 and the EXS24. All Plug-ins that are equivalent to stand-alone 3rd party stuff selling for a few hundred dollars on their own. Kinda makes the $500 price tag for logic a REALLY good deal. Logic is a kind of a better deal in theory. Plus, you can choose your own A/D converters and audio hardware? Nice.

But with that said, at the end of the day, I find Pro Tools more streamlined and less buggy. I find Logic infuriatingly buggy. OK... some logic nut is gonna jump on me right now and say it's all my fault because I haven't done this and that troubleshooting and optimization of my system. Why should I have to? I've had Pro Tools and Logic on 5 different macs with versions 6-8 of both and Pro Tools has always consistently outperformed Logic in terms of not having really weird bugs all over the place. TOTALLY an OPINION. Depending on how you use the programs, I'm sure there is someone who will claim the EXACT opposite and we're both right. You don't discover the bugs or design flaws in the features you don't use or if you don't use the system in a certain way.

They're both great programs and I'm glad to hear that the black lion mod sounds great. There's a thread in the listening tests forum Mytek converter v.s. Digi 002 converter:A/B Test here! about the 002 stock A/D converters which is scary enough to make you never want to use those, even in a pinch! I've heard great stuff about the Black Lion Mods, but haven't heard the A/B test yet....

if PT 8 LE only would have the efficiency of Logic as a program written for OS x (also ADC) ,I don't think that you would need something more.I have PT 8 le ,Logic 8,also cubase 4 running on mac,I like the most PT 8 ,it's like a finished Logic ,or what I personally would like to see on Logic,
I am a logic user from ver.3 ,but I think the time has come for PT HD in my studio,even that I mostly compose and record only a few live instruments ,and vocals ,but PT 8 is a great program for everything in my opinion.

I was able to get a great price on Logic 8 because I'm a student, and it seemed stupid not to at least mess around with it. I've been a Pro Tools guy for many years, and PT is like a warm blanket to me.

But the more I use Logic, the more I like it. Initially I used it just as a writing tool, and as a VI machine. But I've been experimenting with mixing in it. Sometimes when I d a mix that seems stuck somehow, I'll throw it all into Logic and get out of my comfort zone.

Everyone that's posted already is on the money. Logic is great for MIDI, songwriting and their plug-ins. Logic isn't so great at mixing and audio editing. (Man, if Logic had a Smart Tool like PT, that would raise their standings by so much in my opinion).

Pro Tools is great for mixing/recording workflow, audio editing and compatibility with other studios. Pro Tools is not so great for MIDI editing and songwriting, and being forced to use DIGI hardware can be annoying if you're traveling, but the plug-ins you get now with vers. 8 are really quite good.

If you had to choose one, Pro Tools is where I'd go. But if you can swing both, it's the best 1-2 punch for music DAWs.

I use both every day on a screaming MacPro...

This sums it up best:

Pro Tools: Engineers best friend

Logic: Musicians best friend

For you Pop/Hip Hop guys... Most of the Konvict (Akon's crew) uses Logic to write and then dumps everything into Pro Tools to do vox/mixing

Not only is PT the "studio standard" Logic is really not audio editing friendly. They could really take some lessons from PT and many other DAWs as far as navigation and ease of editing ie: smart tools and such

+1 on Logic getting a smart tool.... wow that would make life easier....

i agree 100%

+1 thumbsup. Logic has it's moment and so does Pro Tools... But, I tend to find myself in Logic most of the time...

Is protools still using the same audio engine in 8 as seven? That was the reason I converted to logic from PT. I preformed a side by side test using the same all the same hardware from D-A through the speakers and found logic sounded better despite the hardware. Anyone else done a similar test?

Here's a quote from the admin over at LPH, written in a thread about possible sound differences between Pro Tools and Logic:

I have an use both. I originally was a digital performer user, then got onto pro tools, then bought logic 8 when it came out, but recently I'm back on pro tools.

Don't be enticed by any daws brand new features of the newest version. They just do things different and because of that I don't believe any new version that comes out really trumps the competition just because of a new feature. I've hopped daws a bit, but the best advice I could give is that its not greener on the other side. Save your money and your time, cause in my opinion, unless your stabbing your eyes out every time you open your daw, chances are switching isn't going to make your life much easier. I love and hate the 3 programs I've used, but fundamentally I could do the same job in all of them.

By the way, I'm a musician/composer, and when it comes down to it my favorite is pro tools, and my least favorite is Logic.

I put two tracks (a voice track and a music track) into Pro Tools, Logic and Live. I did not record them into the programs, and no conversion went on in the front end, I just brought the exact same AIFF files into each program.

Didn't do any mixing, bussing, plug ins etc. Just left both files at zero, master fader at zero, etc. So the only thing the program was doing was summing the two files to create a new stereo file.

OK, not at all similar to doing a full blown mix with plentiful tracks, automation, bussing and plugs going... so maybe once you do that there are differences. But simple summing of two tracks into one stereo file? All programs produced the exact same file. They all would null when matched up and polarity-reversed with another file. And I swore they sounded different to me....

I use both Pro Tools 8 and Logic Studio. They both are powerful tools, and I've created some amazing music with both.

Actually, features are what make particular tools useful. If you needed to fix crappy drummers with bad timing, Elastic Audio would sway you towards PT. If you needed to work with loops and VIs, as one poster mentioned, Logic might be better suited to your needs. If you needed to pitch-correct vocals on a regular basis, DP comes with graphic pitch correction right out of the box, saving you the money you'd spend on a pitch correction plugin.

I think if a person considers his needs and then buys a DAW to meet those needs, it makes the comparison a lot easier. The one sticking point would be compatibility, an issue that many assume automatically favors PTLE, when it's entirely possible to save projects in a generic format with any DAW, making compatibility a non issue (depending on how often a person needs to interact with other PT-only studios who are too cheap to buy digitranslator.)

Ive been a PTmix Logic 7 then PT HD logic 8 user. I recently went to the PT8 demo. It looks good but still is missing a few things I use all the time

-No tempo event lists
-No instrument lists for external Midi instruments
-No curved/parabolic tool for drawing crescendos in volume and controller data

I would say I'd prefer it to Logic for everything EXCEPT midi orchestra and writing to picture.

Logic 8 seems to have cleared out a lot of the programming cobwebs off LP7. here is a lot less redundancy and its way more stable, BUT there are still some pretty egregiously amateur gaffs in the program, features that don't work, etc.

Well said! I think Logic is gaining momentum now. I'm finding that many long time Pro Tools users like myself are transitioning towards Logic. I'm having more clients bring in Logic native sessions these days.

Jon

For someone first buying a DAW I agree, but I'm just not convinced that switching because of a few new features is worth the time spent learning the new DAW as well as the money spent on it.

To give a more concrete example. I was really excited about take comping in logic 8 when it came out. But after I started using it I realized that it was not much faster than cutting up an assembling a track manually in pro tools. (not to mention the huge bugs around this particular feature, luckily I did not experience them). But even if it had saved me sometime, I doubt that would even equal out the extra time spent learning an entire new process of recording, editing and mixing on this new DAW. And what do you know, the next version of pro tools has this feature anyway.

I'm in a similar boat... I haven't upgraded to pro tools 8 since I've been away from the music scene for a while, but now that I'm looking to catch up again, I'm forced to choose between paying 150 for the upgrade or 450 for logic (and money is tight now so this is kind of a big deal for me).

The one thing I don't think anybody here has mentioned is that that PT lacks something like Main Stage which is a huge selling point if you're going to be playing live. I've never used logic and the audio editing thing does make me nervous, but on the other hand, I can always use my current version of PT for that if I really need to.

I agree with just about everything you say. I use both. However, I find PT 8 to be VERY buggy. There are some aspects about both that bug the hell out of me.

Here's how I use both programs:

I track in Logic because I'm faster on that program. I edit drums in PT because of Beat Detective. Then I take everything back over to Logic to mix. My reasoning behind that is simple. I get to use the Logic plugins for mixing. I like PT meters better though. Honestly, I wish they would combine.

I think that if each program copies each other one more time, we will have the same program. Then everybody wins. I record bands and produce electronic music. That's pretty much the reason I choose both.

Just on this - how hard is it to take tracks back and forth from Pro Tools LE 8 to Logic 8 - I'm looking to track in Logic (due to Ensemble hardware) and mix in Pro Tools?

Not hard at all if you "consolidate" the tracks before you import them into Pro Tools.

PT8 is far from "very buggy." I would check out your plug ins very carefully. I run it for hours a day with no problems. But I run Logic all day too with no problems, and there are plenty of posts on the Apple forum saying they "can't get more than two tracks working" etc, blah blah. It is very system and user dependent, this DAW stuff...

TH

For me pro tools is more thought out than logic, and in fact it works better here, less buggy, more stable. I think pro tools has many more advantages against logic imho.
Tamas Dragon

sorry to go off topic but how do you run both programs on one computer with one interface...install PT and then logic? i couldn't get logic to work with my DIGI002 while PT was installed and had to unistall PT...now my spdif doesnt work using logic making me A/D converter useless...thanks, jeremy

You have to go in audio preferences in Logic and choose your 002 as your Core Audio. Works just fine for me...

thanks, i did that already.

my audio inputs are working, it's the SPDIF that doesn't.

anyone?

thanks,

j

Why not start your own thread?? Rather than try to derail this one, Surely you would have a better and more targeted response...

I finally got around to upgrading to Logic 8 last week after months of having both upgrades. And my first thought is... Why?

The interface is dark and uninspiring,and it feels dumbed down, and illogical to use.
I'm sure there are decent new features, but it seems like it has also been tinkered with unnecessarily by Apple in order to appeal to the masses.

Have you all gotten used to it, or do you hanker after the old interface?
Is there a setting within the program that at least enables a Logic 7 appearance ?

I should be able to do the PT8 upgrade this week, and I'm really hoping that I love it enough to be able to relegate this new version of Logic to the position of glorified sound module!