Originally Posted by apropos of noth ➡️

I ordered an English Tear from Analogue Haven and received it in non-working condition. Shawn said I could exchange it with Harvestman or return it for credit but wouldn't send me a new one because he'd gotten too many returns on those units. I won't deal with either AH or Harvestman again. Nuff said.

My new strategy on the MS is using it with the SQ-1, which is fabulous, and makes a lovely tie-in to my Euro world. Also, strictly speaking, there's an awful lot you can do strictly with the ESP, like turning Euro gates into triggers for the MS, pitch-following an oscillator. Also strangely, the VCO-2 and Total inputs on the MS-20 are v/oct. I regularly use the MS's S/H, VCA (which is actually a vactrol!), LFO and envelopes to control Euro functions. So net advice is the English Tear path isn't as necessary as you might think it is.

Originally Posted by kcearl ➡️

OK Ive order a wasp, and an EMW Boozy, just to try them out...I like the pittsburgh filter but as you say its very clean...Ill try and get my head around the other stuff later.

No suggestions on that English Tear? might be a tad too pricey just to run the korg with it

Originally Posted by cane creek ➡️

Reflex Liveloop

Originally Posted by slaughtrhaus ➡️

When you consider the fact that you'll be adding a complete synth voice, control keyboard, and mod wheel to your modular rig for 160 bucks and only 8 HP, I'd say that's worth it. But, everyone has their own rubric for figuring this stuff out, it's very personal.

Originally Posted by Derp ➡️

Another interesting looper that's out now is the Ginko Sampleslicer. Had an opportunity to buy one from one of my heroes a while back but decided that "I would never need a sample looper!"

Originally Posted by cane creek ➡️

I was to buy the sampleslicer DIY kit but at the time I thought it was just a tad bit expensive for a kit.

Originally Posted by Derp ➡️

Yeah, the prices on MW for completed ones varies wildly. I think the lower end is realistic prices and the higher end is what people paid for them. What do you think, future forgotten classic?

Originally Posted by parasites

The Oliverb, a new, full-featured creative reverb mode based on the reverb of the original firmware (itself based on a description of the Lexicon 480L), and inspired in design by the Erbe Verb, with CV control over all parameters. It is largely modeless, probably unrealistic and goes far beyond your traditional reverb;

Originally Posted by apropos of noth ➡️

... IF IT HAD STORAGE. If I'm paying 500 bucks for a digital audio module, c'mon.

Originally Posted by Derp ➡️

[...]Just because the MS20 is hz/v, does that mean that it can't respond to v/oct at all? I imagine pitch tracking would be a no go, but at least like some LFO modulation?[...]

Originally Posted by Naugo ➡️

The Voyager finally arrived back from North Carolina... tonight will be my first real night with the system as I envisioned it. I was watching Tron when it arrived



Promise to post some recordings this weekend

Originally Posted by Derp ➡️

Holy crap, didn't you just buy the case last month!?

Originally Posted by Naugo ➡️

Yeah, I'm lucky to be in a situation where I could afford to buy now and decide if I want to keep later. I can tell you I made some mistakes already and will be getting rid of all the effect modules. Software is just better for that, for me. I'll be replacing them with more interesting sound sources and filters.

Originally Posted by Derp ➡️

Ooh... let me know when you want to start unloading modules. Effects in particular I have a boner for.

Originally Posted by Naugo ➡️

Well, I don't think I'm going to keep any of these:

Echophon
Erbe Verb
Analog Replicator
Verbtronic
Clouds
Demora

On the fence about:
Torcido (I was sure I was going to sell it, but I just messed with it for 20 minutes or so with the voyager and it's doing some nice things)
Geiger Counter

Originally Posted by cane creek ➡️

2 ladies are building a sampler over at muffs right now, it's the most feature packed euro sampler I've seen.

Muff thread here



Here's the new feature list for the Reflex LiveLoop Stand-alone:

Record Sample Rate: 174 seconds in stereo at 48Ks/s.
This isn't an "up to" spec., it's better than CD quality for almost 3minutes!
- Maximum Record times / quality per channel:
174 seconds @ 48Ks/s 16 bit >CD Quality
248 seconds @ 24Ks/s 16 bit >FM Radio Quality
11.6 minutes @ 12Ks/s 16 bit >AM Radio Quality
23.2 minutes @ 6Ks/s 16 bit Retro Sampler Quality
46.4 minutes @ 3Ks/s 16 bit Min Voice Quality
92.8 minutes @ 1.5Ks/s 16 bit LFO, Wave making Quality )
- 10 octave Sample Rate Playback range via CV + Rate Knob offset
- Knob Take-over Sample Rate recall for each Mode transition:
- LED circle direction indication (four flashes) and present Rate position indication
- "Smart Take-over" eliminates "hard" jumps by becoming active once Knob returns to previous position
- "Slide-To" for moving away from previous sample rate position

I/O:
- Trigger inputs for Record/SOS/Delay/Play/Clock, Creating Slices, Playing Slices, PlayFX start/sync
- Gate input for PlayFX
- Footswitch (S-Trig/Gate) for Record/SOS/Delay/Play, PlayFX start/sync/stop
- Bipolar CV inputs for Sample Rate Control/offset, EQ bands, with attenuvertors
- Unipolar CV inputs for Slice Selection, PlayFX start and End Control offsets

Audio:
- Stereo Inputs 10V p-p L&R all samples rec/play in stereo
- Feedback Return input isolated mix to sampler, Feedback insert return
- Stereo Outputs 10V p-p L&R
- Blend Control to mix incoming audio with outgoing audio
- Feedback Level control for send, or third output channel of sample output only (for multiple amps)
- intelligent auto fade-out for echo and layer stops independant of input mix setting (1/2 cross fade)
- Spectrum Analyzer for RGB "Color Organ" audio indication/analysis.
- Absolute Zero Latency Audio, absolutely!
- Zero Crossing Point Loop Lock and Soft-Mute technology for click free speed looping.

RP (record/play) Sampler Modes:
- 3 Main RP (Record/Play) Modes: Layer, Echo (delay), R/P Sampler (simple record/punch-in/append)
- Foot Switch compatibility Mode (S-Trig) for foot controlled sync'ed echo/looping/layering
- Record (Continuous) PlayFX and Slices simultaneously into delay/sample/layer for Looping afterwards
- Auto-Slices R/P, Echo (delay), Layer action points for instant recall using Slice Select/CV
- No "Memory Full" stop of recording, loops forever! Good to recall recent sequences via Play Slices
- Clock Trigger Synchronization of Layer and Echo by "Arming" Steps
- Clock Trigger input with /1 - /16 setting for arm rec/arm delay/arm Slice & playFX sync

Sample Slicing:
- Sample Slicing during any mode (Record/Play/Echo etc), up to 400 slices, via T/G input, audio peaks, or Slice button.
- Peak Auto-Slicing by audio levels and intelligent noise floor, amplitude angle/delta algorithm.
- Slicing format controlled intuitively by Mode:
. Record: Sequencial Slicing (Slice End = Next Slice Start)
. Echo (delay) / Layer (SOS) : Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. Infinite echo/Layer play: Loop size slices starting at slice creation
. R/P Play loop: Sequencial
. Play FX Start/End, Position/Size miniLoops: Loop sized slices starting at slice creation
. PlayFX G-Move: Present G-Move position
- Sequence Slices via CV voltage ratio / # of Slices and Slice Play trigger
- 1-16 Manual Slice Play selector/ CV offset with LED Slice# indication
- Slice Sample Rate recall + Rate knob offset + Rate CV offset
- Variable Rate Slicing to increase record time drastically when HIFI not req'd with "as created" playback
- "Slice Groove" Automation feature: Record a tap sequence using selected slices, then loop playback!
- Sliced RAM record protection, to protect created slices during continuous recording

PlayFX:
- 3 PlayFX Modes to play sections of RP Sample at any time, slice-able
- PlayFX (all modes) inside of slices (global) and button controlled permanent Slice modification
- Simultaneous Record and PlayFX/Slice to loop/echo out applied FX.
- PlayFX Trigger input for Start/re-start miniLoop Play

PlayFX Modes:
- Loop Start/End controls & CV's for Sample/MiniLoop/Slice/G-Move Playing
- Reverse PlayFX when in Start/End Play mode (by reversing Start and End controls)
- Loop Position/Sizes & CV's for constant Loop size while panning through Sample/MiniLoop/Slice
- G-Move Flowing Granulizer Direction/Speed and Grain Size knob and CV controllable. Sizes: < 1 mS to 250 mS.
- G-Move Granulizer "roll space" can be defined by presently playing MiniLoop, Echo/delay, Layer or Slice boundries.
- Layered PlayFX priority: MiniLoop/Granulize inside a Slice, Granulize inside of a MiniLoop, Slice over a MiniLoop.
- Play FX or a Slice while still Recording / Layering / Echoing via Buttons or T/G.
- Built in CV band controllable EQ for fine tuning feedback and FX output. Flat band mode for CV VCA FX.
- FX (Left) channel feedback insert for external send return filter insertion. Adjustable Send 10V P-P standard.

Interface:
- 32 LED Indicators, 9 for LED Circle to indicate Last Rate upon return from/to modes and Slice Select/Clock div set
- Power up panel Last Settings memory
- USART, audio and data bus Interface for possible Future Expansion:
MIDI controller, Extra audio, CV, SD Card/USB drive, Slicer/sequencer, Splitter, all of the above (Super Looper?)
- Arduino Atmega 2560 16AU with on-board USB
- Firmware Upgrade-able, ships with V1.00 as of March 2016:
. Highly possible additions to feature list:
. Slice overdub, Peak slice "back slice" alignment, Auto calibrate (Feedback Max Position), Auto Calibrate ( CV's)



I've kept the basic functions intuitive very simple to access, but there's more advanced, less used functions that can be accessed by holding down buttons.
The "transport" buttons, red, white, and green, are tap on, tap step-to-next, hold stop style for the most part. For example, in R/P mode (record/play) a tap on the record button will start a record, and a second tap will end the record and start the sample playing, while subsequent taps will punch-in/append the loop.
In Echo(delay) and Layer Modes, this makes it easy to get a sync like tap-tempo. The T/G & Footswitch inputs can work the same way.
The Clock input (Rec T/F/C) can be set from /1 to /16 and can be used with "arming" the record button to act as a sync to external modules. This clock sync will allow slices (if created in echo(delay) or Layer modes) to also be synced. Rate variance updates ensure the samples stay in sync.

Originally Posted by chrisso ➡️

The problem with modular right now is that everything is becoming so feature packed. The Rossum sampler is in the same camp.
It would take weeks to explore all these features. That's ok if your goal is to build a modular system and spend all your time exploring it. If you want to use modular to create music and publish it, it's less advantageous.
Give me something that does a couple of things really well.
For example, if you look at the current Roland sampler offerings (TM2 and SPD-SX). They are pretty simple and intuitive. Load or record your sample - play it.
It looks to me like modular designers have figured out their best bet at selling new modules is to pack them with every feature under the sun.
That's a mistake IMHO.

Originally Posted by cane creek ➡️

Yes it's becoming a trend because the basic stuff has been done to hell

Originally Posted by fiddlestickz ➡️

I like modules that are simple but have just a little depth to them so it keeps me wondering and learning a bit, don't like the highly packed cryptic button pushes modules at all.