Uhh???

It's #1 in *your* Google search because of SEO that *you* set up and directly searched for using the best terms you knew would work to find *your* link to *your* software.

.. that is some weird slight dishonesty by stating it must be great because it comes up in a search when you know it's due to SEO.

Just wanted to bump this thread because after years of using Pyramix I am seriously considering switching to Sequoia.

The basic features and appealing functionalities (object editor etc.) are already well-known to me, but on a pragmatic note, I'd be curious to hear about any longstanding bugs or inflexible and frustrating workflow limitations of Sequoia, because on the Merging side, these are a significant reason for my interest in switching.

I have already downloaded a demo of Sequoia and I've been mostly impressed with it, in general, but I don't have the time yet to get fully immersed in every nuance of its operation, so I'd welcome thoughts from any users here in the classical world.

Finally, a quick question if anyone happens to know the answer -- when importing polywav files into Sequoia, I can correctly get them to split and populate sequential tracks, but Sequoia does not appear to import the channel names (Main L, Main R, Winds L, Winds R, etc.) which are embedded -- Pyramix can and does import this correctly. Perhaps I am foolishly missing something, despite reviewing the manual?

Looks interesting.

A couple of questions:

With one license, how many computers can you install on?

And what is the licensing system? Password? iLok? Sporadic call home? Something else?

Thanks!

You can purchase single-station or multi-station license. Multi-station are discounted. The licensing system is one-click built-in like everything else. No iLok, no callback. You can see it all in action in the videos on the website at https://cohlerclassical.com/#videos. Here's the Licensing Video.

Take a long look at ReaClassical....it brings the editing and recording functionality of Pyramix and Sequoia to the Reaper platform, with no licensing hassles or dongles beyond a single $60 fee from their (Reaper) website...ReaClassical is a free add-on to it.

Here's the PDF user guide: https://github.com/chmaha/ReaClassic...er%20Guide.pdf

Here's the website: http://reaclassical.org/

Some discussion from users:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=265145

The ReaClassical developer describes it as follows:

"I've been working on various ways to improve classical music editing in REAPER (without the need to buy any add-ons) and I feel that I've arrived at something worthwhile and professional. It builds on some existing actions and scripts but I've tweaked a lot and ended up creating much of it from scratch. I've added my own flavor to things including a very workable crossfade editor mode that adds two-lane functionality close enough to Pyramix and Sequoia that the edits can be very precise and fun to work through. I also have dedicated markers for source/destination in/out (different colors and names to visually stand out) for those of us who enjoy single-window S/D (3- and 4-point) editing. I'd obviously love to talk about things here too but for now you could do worse that to read the latest version of the PDF guide or visit reaclassical.org/.

To get started straight away, see the installation guide...."

Also take a look at ReaClassical, described above. You can install on unlimited computers (Mac, PC, Linux) for a single $60 license...no dongles or iLok, no call home....less than 20MB DAW install footprint !

Still hoping that a Sequoia user or two may see my above post and have a moment to respond.

For the above several posters, the title of this thread is unambiguously "Sequoia vs Sadie vs Pyramix"

Many thanks!

In my opinion, SEQUOIA is the premier classical editor. I used to have PMIX but abandoned it because of its steep learning curve and constant dunning updates.

I have both Sequoia 14 and Seqoia 16 here. Both are equivalent with V.16 having a better SRC result.

I see no reason to convince you about SEQUOIA because Deutsche Grammophon has already qualified it as the best.

The main reason to use SEQUOIA in my opinion is that it sounds better than all other daws. This statement is controversial but, in my experience and use, is true.

The integration of EUCON control surfaces such as AVID Artist MIx series and its successors is seamless and very good.

The edit model and graphics / flexibility of the edit window is unsurpassed. Edits that are impossible and clumsy in competing daws are easily accomplished in SEQUOIA. A miracle worker.

Discounts on SEQUOIA are available as a cross-grade if one has any of the other family member daws such as Samplitude Pro. At other times, Magix will run specials on SEQUOIA.

Even at full price, the SEQUOIA 16 is a bargain.

Do not look for things that do not work in SEQUOIA. There aren't many--principally the surround and immersive capabilities could be better and are in refinement by Magix.

SEQUOIA-- rock solid.

Are you noticing this improvement on the internal DSP (plugins and summing) or the straight playback of a single file without any DSP or both processing and playback?

FWIW I am also in the process of switching my main rig to Sequoia. Currently building my PC.

My experience with Samplitude has been both. It's the same engine and the suite includes Sequoia's DDP software.

Longtime Sequoia user in classical field. I think it's great and it's my favorite "editor". ProTools and Nuendo have other strengths.

If you can develop a workflow around MuSyc it's a bit of a revelation especially for live recording.

In terms of show stoppers I don't think it's any better or worse than the other big players.

Two areas it is currently weak in is 1) video playback, but there are solid work-arounds if you are willing to transcode. Also 2) surround is lagging behind Nuendo / PT. However there is very active development going on and I know that both those issues are high priorities for the dev team. I saw a sneak peak of the new surround panner being developed in a webinar and it looks top notch.

Engagement from Magix product staff on forum and support email is currently the best it's been for years.

I had a look at some random downloaded polywavs and indeed didn't see any channel name imports, but if you like DM me one from your specific source and I will check. Metadata apart from loudness and BWF is not a strength.

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts!


Thanks to you as well for this response, much appreciated.

Just curious: do you mean primarily in terms of importing, or does this extend to stuff like DDP creation and authoring? I ask partly because of a couple extremely exasperating (to me, at least) aspects of how Pyramix handles metadata as part of an album creation workflow.

No problem with keeping names of files. You enter them. On my machine the name of the file when recorded is shown on the import.

Of course making a DDP relies on the name you give the track in the PQ coding.

For Ghost: SEQUOIA sounds better all around. I'm speaking about playing back a file on SEQUOIA vs. playing back that same file on another daw. I'm not taking about using plug-ins.

Importing, pretty limited. Exporting is better, but still relies on Sequoia's CD Text/ID3 Editor which is very old. It works but you need to test and document for your use case. I often use Foobar2000 and some scripts in that to finish my metadata.

My impression is that Pyramix album publishing was superior but I've never used that.

The new Sequoia bounce/export has ability to export in multiple formats. New and still in dev.

The Broadcast Wave Manager is pretty good for embedding info, ISRC, UMID, loudness data, coding history etc.

Thanks. What about rendering that same file (after edits and DSP processing) VS other DAWs? Any benefit there as I think Bob O suggests?

I guess I will soon discover for myself, but Im grateful for yours and Bob's thoughts.

Have not compared rendering with other daws.

My point is strictly about playback between 2-3 different daws through the same Solaris dac.

SEQUOIA coding is very robust and proper.

Acquire SEQUOIA 16 today.

Pyramix and Sequoia can be setup so they null - with straight playback, with live plugin processing, and with rendered plugin processing.

There is no difference if they are set up properly.

But - there are some quirks about how dither is handled in both programs. So if you're hearing differences that may be a culprit.

Long term user of Sequoia - it's untouchable in terms of the sheer number of editing and workflow possibilities.
The metering is also superb and replaces all my previous hardware.

It doesn't help itself with some basic flaws in the UI workflow which I've mostly overcome with macros and Autohotkey.

There are however a couple of frustrating long term 'bugs' / characteristics which seem to be baked in with no fixes in sight. At least the company seems more responsive these days than previously.

If you can find time, I'd be curious to hear a little more about the above.

What were they in Pyramix?

Version 15 is out now and finally has clip FX.