Just run the purifier when you have downtime.

I too wonder what happens if you stay in the room with the air super thingy.

so which one is the best one to get

I need a Quiet machine that works ?

Yeah,, me too.

I've been asking that straight forward question, and no one seems to tell me.

I need to know the BEST unit for not only keeping the air fresh, but keeping my dusting chores down, and it has to be ULTIMATELY silent..

I really do not care about the healthy stuff. Just something that does what I ask...

Any suggestions ??

Anyone have any experience with this model:

http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping...purifiers.html ????

Thanks,

Andy

Ahhh spoken like a true studio guy!!!

heh

I have been reading this thread with much interest but I have not seen a clear "winner" if there is such a thing. So what is the general consensus on the best way to handle studio air purification?? Any conclusions??

I have two of the Ionic breeze thingies, one in the control room and one in the lounge.

Since the studio has no windows or any means of fresh air they make a huge difference. There is a slight ozone/metallic smell, however it's not unpleasant.

I clean them once a week or every other week and there is dirt on them after I wipe them off so they must be doing something.

They are so quiet you have to put your ear ON it to hear any noise so that's definitely not an issue.

My studio "feels" much better with them.

I bet most of you didn't put this much research into dropping four grand for a neve 1073

Good point. I just want to keep my 1073 clones working and the best way to do that is to get rid of the dust in the room. We have two dogs and lots of dust so anything to help keep my gear clean is important. I have too much money invested and I don't want to go out and buy the same stuff ever again when I could get new stuff instead.

heh

I have a friend who runs a mastering house and he loves his Ionic Breeze but the Consumer Reports things has really made me wonder. Yeah it may "smell" good but does it really get dust and junk out of the air?? My friend has shown me how the rods get dirty and my thinking is if they are getting dirty they are doing something right?? Again the Consumer Reports article makes me skeptical.

Anyone else??

This link has what appear to be good options and goes into detail on the ionic breeze/consumer reports rift.

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/ho...air_purifiers/

...and that is what I was looking for. I think that link sums up the whole thread. If you are interested in this topic check out the link KingUgly posted, very good info.

Thanks for the link King, great info.

Quick thoughts here...

What happens if you're in the room during a "high ozone shock treatment?"

Well...ozone is O3 (activated oxygen) and is unstable. Basically the extra oxygen atom is looking for anything possible to migrate to. When this happens, it oxidizes whatever it contacts. The O2 molecule is left behind and whatever got oxidized is dead (or dying, or weighed down by the extra atom).

In humans, extra oxygen atoms are called "Free Radicals" and are a known cause/irritant for just about every illness you can think of (cancer being the big one). Everything we consume orally (especially bad foods, alcohol, etc), oxygen we accidently swallow, car exhaust, and stuff like cigarettes are the main cause of free radicals. The oxidation of your cells can destroy parts of your DNA, causing it (with any luck) to replicate blindly (becoming a tumor...cancer...).

Antioxidants (vitamins C, E, and a variety of herbal things), of course, are the cure/prevention to this. With enough antioxidants in your diet, you could theoretically treat your body like shit and be a million times healthier than a healthy but antioxidant deficient human.

So what would happen if you sat in a room and inhaled thousands (probably more like millions?) of ozone molecules?

Well (and this is an educated guess mind you)...

After a good many oxygen atoms break off and start trying to oxidize the cells of your lungs, the bulk of ozone would be transported to the bloodstream. So now you have thousands, millions, maybe billions of free radicals (horny little oxygen molecules) trying to oxidize anything and everything. Particularly at risk would probably be every last red blood cell in your body. No red blood cells = death (duh). After that, I'd start worrying about every single cell that your blood is delivering oxygen/nutrients to. Wait...I guess that would BE every single cell in your body!

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Obviously (whether this entire theory was correct or not), mass ozone inhalation is neither healthy, nor advised.

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As far as filters, HEPA's (as previously mentioned) will do alot more for actually CLEANING the air, and accordingly will make YOU healthier. I would look at a combo box. I'm not sure how loud they are, nor how well any work, but there's plenty on the market.

I noticed the Multi-Tech XJ-3000C, but I cannot find any reviews.

Its got:
1. An activated carbon prefilter (this gets rid of odors and such)
2. A HEPA filter (gets 99.97% of everything out of your air)
3. A Germicidal UV lamp (type of light that instantly kills microorganisms (these are really cool and actually work btw))
4. An ion generator on the air exhaust port.
5. An ajustable (low, med, death) ozone generator.

This is so much more effective in the fact that it is actually circulating the air via a fan, WHILE spouting out negative ions. Its also half the cost of an Ionic Breeze. It is supposed to be quiet, but I'm not sure if its "studio quiet."

Again, I have no hands on experience with this or other products, and this is not a recommendation. There are plenty of other air cleaners out there, perhaps all worthy of your time. I'd deinitely suggest a quiet HEPA over an ion generator anyday though.

(note: ion generators DO work however. I have a very small/portable generator that manages to grab quite a bit of sludge out of the air. A bleach cleaning of the base every month or so makes it good as new...I just think the technology works alot better with a combination approach)

Heterodox,

So am I correct to assume that an Ionizer alone can not kill dust mites, bed bugs, disinfect rooms, etc.?

Or can this extra Ozone really kill organisms like this?

UV lamp I could understand.

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fleaman

Well Heterodox it seems you really know what you are talking about. Which is good. We need someone like you on this thread. SO I need to ask this :

After reading the earlier posted link to that great informative article, and the first part of your post, I personally have come to the conclusion that (I thought) that ALL I want is a "True HEPA" filter air purifier and NOT one that deos ANY kind of ozone emitions or ionizing at ALL. For instance the Whrilpool Whispure seems to be the best...

BUT at the end of your post you recomended a combo unit which would do BOTH. Now why would this be acceptable ?? If oxidating, ionizing, and releasing ozones is a bad thing, why would we want ANY of it (even small enough amounts that wouldn't be harmful) in our air purifiers ??

My main concern is not me, or my health, but mainly I do not like the idea of dust and stuff "Falling" from the air because of the electrostatic technology into my equipment. Plus it could have a bad effect on the metal of my equipment as well. I would rather have something that truely just got RID of all that stuff... Plus I heard the "electro" ones make "sparking" sounds from time to time etc...

Now am I off from my figuring ?? Or no ??

Seems I would want a 100% HEPA filter ONLY with no kind of ozone emitions, or electrostatic technology at all..

Please help -- I am buying soon -- What do you think of the Whirlpool Whispure 45030 ?? Or the IQ Air Health Pro ?? Why would the Multi Tech XJ 3000C be better than those ?? How do they all compare ?? And why ??

Looks like I also am going to get a HEPA Vacume Cleaner. I am totally sold on this HEPA thing. It makes to much sense.

So UNLESS you guys can tell me why I should not, I want to get the Whirlpool Whispure 450 , and a HEPA Vacume Cleaner.. Is there any reason why NOT ?? Please any and all suggestions needed...

Link to Whirlpool Whispure 450 : http://www.dealtime.com/xPR-Whirlpool_AP45030H

I have a Miele vacuum with Hepa filter and......it really works very well...I wish some of my studio gear had it's build quality (some actually does...so rephrase, I wish more of my............).

Andy

Got dust?

I will add that I also use a Panasonic HEPA filter air purifier (which runs pretty quiet on "low") in addition to the Living Air Classic. Also, I run the Living Air Classic at a very low setting (300 sq ft or so) basically both are running 24-7. We keep the air circulating at all times, so the ozone gets distributed evenly.

When sanitizing a room, I'm extra careful to run in there, shut off the machine, and open up windows, while holding my breathe. Sounds silly, I know. I don't go back for another few hours.

I got an Ionic Breeze from the Sharper Image, turned it on and smelt the ozone coming from it. I immediately removed it from the studio. It is fine for dust removal and killing bugs domestically, but ozone is extremely reactive and corrosive. Putting one of these in a control room is just asking for accelerated tarnishing, corrosion and degradation of equipment.

Infa:

First off, a HEPA is more than enough...all of the other technology is kind of "cherry on top" stuff. With a HEPA, you will not only get CLEAN air, but softly circulated air.

Now, a few small things...

Ozone may be toxic at higher levels, but our bodies are more than equipped to deal with normal amounts. In fact, we HAVE too everyday.

Earth uses ozone (a reaction of oxygen to sunlight in the upper atmosphere) as a kind of constant purification system. The ozone in the atmosphere kills microorganisms and removes molecules (pollution) from the air. This is Earth's HEPA, and we are sitting in it.

Free radicals are 100% impossible to get away from in our warped, polluted society...but (though to a much lesser extent) they would still be if we all lived in forests. In reality though, it is exponentially worse to stand near an intersection (inhaling car fumes) than it is to be in a lightly ozonated environment.

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Now, if I had an ozone generator, would I run it everyday? No. But I'd definitely blast it on max once a month. Ozone cleaned rooms have a "fresh from the dentist" feel, and that's certainly a refreshing way to start the month.

The reasoning here is that a HEPA filter will not rip microoscopic organisms off your walls etc. Many molds (and other stuff) produce Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs), which are basically the odors you end up smelling. They also have the lovely tendency to be debilitating to human health. Now, if a room isn't infested with mildew, it won't outright smell moldy...but there's still trace VOCs floating from the billions of microbes naturally found indoors. Ozone destroys the VOCs and their producers, making the air "fresher than fresh". Fresh from the dentist indeed.

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A word on ionization:

Sounds: They will only make spark sounds if there's alot of large particles in your air. This should be absolutely nonexistant with any decent HEPA running. Even without a HEPA, the spark sounds are quiet and few/far between (definitely not a constant shocking). Its more like a small fizzling sound really.

Ionization is FAR from being "bad." In fact, everyone here seems to be missing the basic HEALTH benefits:

Positive ions are naturally produced from a variety of things, one of the foremost being anything technological. Your computer, your desk, preamps, phone, etc.

Negative ions are naturally produced by living organisms, most notably plants.

It has been scientifically proven (through numerous studies) that positive ions have a negative effect on human mood. Increased anger, frustration, and depression are just a few highlights. These in turn help create physiological effects like fatigue.

On the alternate, negative ions are proven to enhance mood. Energy levels are increased, stress levels reduced, blood flow is substantially improved, and brain activity is heightened. Hell, why do you think E-Cue is always so happy, and good at what he does? (4 Ionic Breezes? lol...) This (along with natural air filtration) is the actual scientific reason that plants are so important to have indoors, balancing our plastic/metal creations.

Odd bit info here...

Many years after the Russian hockey team was king, it was discovered that they practiced in gyms outfitted with MASSIVE industrial strength negative ion generators. The positive effects were apparently markedly noticabely. Their tour buses? Equipped with industrial strength negative ion generators. Away games? A dozen portable negative ion generators for the locker room.

Its actually kind of getting out of control, as sports groups and whatnot are marketing necklaces, bandanas, and even masks that have ion generators in them. If memory serves me, I believe they are beginning to put very small generators in football helmets and the like.

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Anyhow, to answer about ionizers and debris clinging to your gear:

It shouldn't be an issue with the HEPA filtering 99% of things, and the air flow circulating the unfiltered air TOWARDS the generator. There are, by the way, very easy ways to create an incredibly strong positive attraction in your room (like running a modified plug, with just the ground connector, to a piece of metal or foil...essentially creating a large link to your building's grounding pole). But again, I wouldn't think it'd even be an issue, as the air would be pretty clean as it is.

I'd basically just want the ionizer for health benefits.

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Important to keep in mind, is that essentially these "technologies" (ion, ozone) are nothing new. The Earth has been doing it all in some form or another since the beginning. We're just now figuring out how to replicate it, after we seem to have mastered desecrating it

Anyhow, to restate the opener, these are just "cherry on top" technologies. A HEPA will make a world of difference in and of itself.

I have no opinion on any products, as I do not know their build quality, only what they purport to do.

Wow.

Very informative

Thank you.



Fleaman

Great info.

OK,, well with this new look on it now. I am thinking about getting this GREAT sounding wonderful COMBO unit. Heterodox , can you PLEASE look deep inside this units specs and claims and tell me what you think.

To me it actually seems like the best one EVER !! But it is so new it has yet to have reviews or a Consumer Report. But please take it serious. I have been doing extreme research, and this seems to be a real BUTT kicker, plus it is cheaper than the other "best" alternative , the IQAir Health Pro Plus.

The one I am thinking of getting NOW is called the AirSoPure S-980 PCO here is the link:
http://www.air-purifier-home.com/airsopure.aspx

That looks like a nice unit... I may have to get one heh

Great Birds!

Hey, I noticed your moniker is dumbleator. We have to talk. I use Dumble amps. Alex is a good friend. Drop me an email... [email protected] Best Regards, Kris

Hawkeye is an amazing bird. He's around 27 years old and an "open band" bird, meaning he's a wild caught from the Congo (before it became illegal to import).

He immitates all types of sounds around the house 100% identical... also immitates my voice/laughter, and the voice of his previous owner.

He does sound effects (while watching Star Wars, for example)... sings opera, does Beethoven's Fifth (first few bars).

He also has does a perfect 1Khz, 2Khz, 4Khz, and 8Khz test tones. And they are pure sine. Amazing bird.

He's also very friendly with everyone (rare for Greys; they're usually one-person birds), throws kisses, has a vocabulary of over 30 words.... loves to whistle tunes.

Sorry for going O.T... this is just for any bird heads out there.

C-ya.

elambo is correct. The ionic breeze ranked dead last in their performance survey. I just bought a Friedrich C-90 which ranked tops in their tests. It costs a whopping $450, but has the lowest annual cost to operate, thereby making it the cheapest to own over 3-4 years or more.

wow
i need a filter and was looking at getting a ionis breeze.
seems i need to do a lot more reading

Great to see other African Grey fans!


Mine is about 19yrs old, and originally wild also.

His name is Floyd (hey, I was 18 when I got him).


He is more of a one-person bird, but LOVES LOUD MUSIC AND NOISES! Great to have around when tracking.


These guys are REALLY smart.

The Ionic breeze will degrade your bass response!

And I HATE their F@#!in' commercials on TV!

Over & over & over!! dfegad

Every channel! fuuck

And the music!?!? Oh GOD it's the single most annoying canned squag EVER!

There is a good article on Ionizers (concerns, etc.) and some testing of units in the new Consumer Reports (May edition).

Basically, they mention the harms of Too-much ozone in the air and its effects. The Sharper image Ionic breeze produces too much ozone and therefore gets a poor grade. And yes, the Sharper image sued consumer reports and the suit was dismissed in a Federal court.

Check it out if you’re thinking of getting one of these things.



Fleaman

I had a client who ran several of those ionic wind type cleaners in his studio/house. Because they produce ozone, they aren't good for rubber, elastic, and lot of types of foam, etc. They destroyed shock mount suspensions (rubber), his tempurpedic mattress, pillows, on and on. It was quite a mess once he figured it all out. Turned off the things, everything fine now. I had no idea they produced that much ozone!
Brad

thats is just damn scarey!