Originally Posted by Lazer Toms ➡️

How does the CS6x with Dx card compare to the SY77? In terms of nailing the DX sounds.

Originally Posted by robotunes ➡️

The DX card is a DX7S (monotimbral DX7mkII), so it nails the DX sound because it is a DX.

SY77 is based off the DX so it sounds like a DX but does a lot more. Yamaha called it Advanced FM, so it can sound like a DX but doesn't load DX sounds without a translator.

If I recall correctly, the CS6x can't access all the parameters of the DX card. You'll need software, and if you're using OSX, you might be out of luck. You'll have to double-check that.

Hope that makes sense.

Originally Posted by CoolColJ ➡️

No Sounddiver is the best software editor for it - it's the only one that will allow you to create your own algos and link the 2 filters

TG77 sounds richer to me that the TX802. Smoother and more complex tone. It can sound closer to an analog synth
After you've used the TG77 for a while, a lot of things that take for granted on the TG77, will be missing in the DX7/TX802 and will annoy you.

Originally Posted by BHW ➡️

can you save these new algos?

Originally Posted by BHW ➡️

can you save these new algos?

Originally Posted by robotunes ➡️

SY Manager 5 (US$25 at fm-alive.com, free 30-day trial) lets you modify one of the 45 algorithms to create your own and save them with the patch. I don't think you can recall the new algorithm from a new patch. Looks like you have to rebuild it every time.

Opens up new ways of connecting ops but having 3 assignable feedback routings is enough for me.

Originally Posted by gentleclockdivid ➡️

But if you save the new algo with init operator settings , you can just load it again , no ?

Originally Posted by bluegreengold ➡️

One thing that has always bothered me about the SY77 is that the output is rather noisy.

Last night I finally got around to upgrading the analog board in mine, and I must say, it sounds MUCH improved.

I replaced the three mitsubishi bifet opamps with AD746 and the 8 RCA4558D with opa 2228. I put an LM4562 in the headphone amp 4556D, but I'll probably swap that out again, as there is a bit too much of a sterile clarity vibe with it. Useful for programming, but not really a joy to listen through the headphones right now.

Overall sound is vastly improved. There is essentially no background noise anymore. The "warmth" timbre is pretty similar with OPA2228 vs 4558, but the burr browns are more open, spacious, clear, 3D, all those descriptors that typically bug non subjective folks. In the AWM section, the 'analog sawtooth' actually sounds pretty analog now. Nice fizz.

The efx are even improved. A lot of the noise from the effects seems to have been from poor amps mixing in the output stages. The algorithms haven't changed for the better, but engaging the efx no longer noise and murks things up. The reverbs are still trashy, but the modulation efx are totally usable now.

The change was pretty revealing in the details. A few of my patches I needed to adjust operator levels downward to bring it to taste. The old amps cut out the highs and but a bit of a gauzy haze and glassy ring over things.

There were a few sounds where I could imagine the older lo fi vibe worked better, but I can just run the output through some creaky analog efx for the same thing.

It is so nice.

It wasn't even a difficult job. After removing the bottom frame, the analog board, sits below two digital boards, but the layout and design is easy to take apart and reassemble. The cabling is designed so it is impossible to mix up which goes where, or in what direction.

TX802 is next.

Originally Posted by oldmica ➡️

Sounds awesome. I wonder if those mods apply to the SY99 as well.