The only part better about ligic is the price. Logic is only about 20% "worse" than Cubase but around 65% cheaper

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I don't know about 20% worse, never used Cubase but 65% cheaper is pretty accurate!

It's actually 32.4% worse.

I believe most Cubase/Logic users agree that Logic is better than Cubase in some areas, and vice versa. But of course, Logic is cheap which has contributed to some of the sales out there (vs Cubase sales). OTOH, Logic would have had a lot more sales if it was available on the Windows platform as well.
Personally I'm not so interested in sales numbers; I started to use Logic when it had something like zero percent market share.

And the fact that the relatively new DAWs (Bitwig, Reaper and Studio One) together has a large market share - maybe bigger than Logic (and even Cubase); shows that a lot of people are willing to try a new DAW with no major market share references at all. And then there's Live... my guess is that a third of all DAW users use a DAW which didn't even exist before year 2000.

Plus, the "ultimate" DAW doesn't exist - one which is music oriented, good for live work, has a good score editor which is being properly developed, has great features for music to picture, allows its users to upload their songs to sone online sales solution, a great workflow and innovative in the creative areas + some focus on the education market (in addition to the usual DAW features we are used to see). So there may be room for yet another DAW out there - IF someone has the resources needed to start making one.

When I compared Cubase and Logic, Logic kicked Cubases's butt at drum quantizing. Much faster and much more accurate without manual editing.

The only time I manual edit drums in Cubase is for a single hit when something just isn't right.

Would you care to elaborate? Explain why and give some details?

As far as speed I use different KC's depending on how much quantizing I want a certain group of drum hits to be. I think I have 5 different KC's that span from absolute perfect to pretty recklessly loose.

I also use the logical editor to push forward or pull back all hits as a group to give the feel of a drummer slightly rushing or laid back depending on the track.

I think where Drum editing in Cubase needs improvement isn't quantizing, but the drum editor itself where you can't delete drum tracks, and you can't group tracks (shift+click) and move them around. You have to move each track one at a time! IMO this is because Steinberg has catered to the audio fans (even Dr. Luke's team edit drum hits in the audio realm) and ignored midi drums for a long time.

As far as accurate, I have no idea what you are referring to.

I agree, Logic kinda knows what you want. It just get it right and I'm a big cubase fan but With Cubase I sometimes need TLC when I do my drum patterns.

Quantizing in Logic never mess the drums up, Cubase sometimes make me undo the quantize and I'll have to go to the drum editor to move things to the proper place.

You can reduce this by lowering your buffer to 32 or 64 samples. It's just a timing issues that been in Cubase for a long time.

If you are always recording solid drummers then you don't need this function. But for amateur drummers who want to sound like pros it is a great tool to be able to quantize a drum take fast and accurately. I spent a very long time in Cubase tweaking and following tutorials but nothing I did could cure the drum tracks without needing to dive in with manual editing to get rid of some glitchiness. Logic was extremely smooth at this and very little manual editing was required. The way it finds the transients and knows where to slice and crossfade is just very fast and accurate.

It sounds like you aren't even starting in the drum editor, but key editor instead. Is this correct? If so you are not alone. I think it's because Steinberg has ignored the drum editor for ages as it needs a lot of improvement.

A long time ago when working with drums we all worked in the midi realm. Gradually over the past 15 years, I think the majority are starting in the audio realm, rarely if ever considering midi. I'm sure looping in general and Acid were huge influences. You do remember Acid right?

Okay, recording live drummers in the audio realm vs. dragging midi files from Toontrack where hopefully the files which are played by real drummers are...human. I have never used Logic so it sounds like perhaps it's a bit more user friendly when editing audio drums. Of course Cubase can do this, but perhaps a bit more difficult since it offers more flexibility.

Yup I'm 41 I know composers that still paste wave drum clips all over the place instead of playing midi notes or messing with the drum editor haha.

Oh you're talking about something different have you tried a newer version of Cubase? CP8 adds even more features and better timing. I thought you were talking about playing drum samples from a midi keyboard?

Again I just have to keep the buffer low and not use DSP plugins like Uad plugins. But I haven't put CP8 to the test yet but it's much better at low Latency performance.

I haven't put CP8 to the test but every time I have tried pro tools or cubase i just keep coming back to logic.

I was a big Logic guy until my brother showed me the in and outs of Cubase. They both are pretty amazing I still use both. I can track and mix quicker with Cubase so I find it easier to just start and finish with Cubase. When I compose i use either one. I pretty much use Komplete 10 ultimate so the internal sounds don't matter.

Keep in mind that most of Cubase good features have been available while logic was still on version 9. Even now Cubase is still fully 32 bit compatible, also with Cubase 8 I can track and mix full session at 32 samples with virtual instruments and Uad plugins running, the update was awesome and seems to be a few steps ahead of Logic over all.

Most of the features Logic X has(except for drummer) I had in Cubase for 3-4 years before Logic X came out. That's a long time.

As for drummer that's in Logic X, I've had that also prior to Logic in Kontakt.

My biggest problem with Logic is that is was the most advanced DAW at one time. Now it feel behind and is trying to play catch up. I think the real reason it's still great is because is was already so advanced.

Today I think that is the norm. I have no data other than just collaborating with other users.

Dr. Luke and his team use audio drum hits then manipulate and process. Actually the joke is that he once asked "what's midi?" At least I think it was a joke....

Some of whom are making fortunes doing hit records in fact...

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Yup it sound great when I hear it. The thing is, they sample those drum parts from records so the drum hits are already mastered

Good way to save some money. Just tell the mastering engineer that you want a discount because the kick and snare are already mastered.

Don't forget Digital Performer users.

Actually most of the time they are layering and creating new kicks, snares, hits etc

I can't speak for "they" but based on the videos with Dr. Luke, yes there is lots of layering going on. And I think certain Vengeance sample packs are used quite a bit.

What I was surprised at is....no midi.

Hi
I suppose you turn on Asio Guard and don't use VSL instruments

I don't understand?

I suppose you meant the Audio Buffer = 32 samples? And with such a small buffer you MUST use Asio Guard right?
If so you can't be using VSL Virtual Instruments because the Asio Guard feature unfortunately doesn't work with them.
And I use them all the time, so my performance with a Mac Pro 2 x 3,46 and 48 gb ram isn't that fantastic ;-(

Have you tried the new Asio Guard in Cubase Pro 8? It now support multi output instruments

I'm on Cubase 8.05. Its the VSL stuff that is the problem.

How? I use Komplete 10 ultimate so I'm good.

VSL can't work with Asio Guard on for the time being. I suppose they are working on a solution.