Hi,

I have been providing sound for various local events and am looking to add some lighting. I am completely new to lighting so have no idea what I should be looking to buy. I mainly work by myself so want something small, lightweight and effective.
I have used the common KAM Party Bar type of setup with 4 units attached to a T-Bar but would like to add some other lights to have more impact/variety to the stage lighting??

What would you recommend that's lightweight and very easy to rig by myself? I'm not sure on budget as I don't know what's available or how much it costs?

Thanks

You start with some LED pars, learn DMX, want to be able to do more with DMX, add more pars or budget moving lights and before you know it, you will spend as much on lights and control as you did when you made the jump from MI speakers to semi professional speakers :p

When I started with adding lights I got 8x ADJ 12p hex lights. They are portable, bright and practical. As they are 6in1 leds, they can be used for front light (with clamp on speaker pole for example) and emulate conventional theatre lighting. I used up-lighting the most. No need for poles, just position them on the ground, have some DMX scenes and strobe prepared and you're good to go. If you start with lights, learn DMX. This will double the pleasure when doing a band and you be out of hands mixing and doing DMX at the same time :p

To learn DMX, there are several programs. Martin MPC is a well known program and full of features. It's free for 1 universe and artnet so it can be the only program you need (with midi controllers). I have no experience with light controllers but they are expensive and to my opinion limited compared to software.

To me adding lights and DMX programming in particular is a great way to enhance the band and audience experience. There is so much to talk about regarding stage light and I'm kind of surprised this sub forum is so silent to be honest.

I assume you mean something other than static fixtures. If so, the guy that does all of our lighting repairs swears up and down that the ADJ Inno Scans are the best built and most feature rich fixture in that price range. You might research those a bit. As for a dmx controller, I have been using Sunlite (Nicolaudie) and I think it is the best bang for the buck for a controller. There are many options but I like software based because I can always install it on another computer if I have to and I feel it is just easier to use. The ADJ Compulite is exactly the same because it is made by Nicolaudie for ADJ. You can connect a variety of midi controllers to have live control. I have been using the Behringer BCF 2000 and I know at least 4 other local guys doing the same and it is a killer and cheap setup.

Good luck,

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I was doing lighting on a small scale about 12 years ago, just prior to the LED disruption. I ran a 24-channel DMX controller and various traditional theater/stage lights as well as a couple of DJ type motion gobo things. I can't give you advice from current experience, but based on the limited knowledge I have of the entry-level scene nowadays, I could make a few comments and perhaps get feedback from those more knowledgeable.

"PAR" cans are probably the most popular style of light but not the most useful. PAR stands for Parabolic Aluminized Reflector, which is a type of bulb -- basically a spotlight or floodlight style bulb. The traditional incandescent PAR bulbs fit into cylindrical cans. They're typically used to flood the stage with light. The beam angle and pattern is a function of the lens built into the bulb and they tend to have soft edges. Gel filters were used to get various colors.

With the advent of LED, we struggled for a while to get the right combination of phosphors for the color temperature and color rendering index (CRI) that was appealing. Inexpensive "white" leds were poor quality for a while. Then RGB arrays became a popular low-cost solution. They immediately gave remote control of a wide variety of colors (previously one would have to hang separate PAR cans with gel, and blues especially were weak). But with the RGB arrays, "white" still looked too "cool" (color temperature wise). Nowadays, the RGBA (red, green, blue, amber) arrays are probably the best choice for a low-cost solution. You can get all the colors, and a decent white.

LED fixtures with RGBA arrays that take the place of traditional PAR cans are probably the most popular low-cost fixture, but ellipsoidal or fresnel fixtures might be more useful. The problem is they cost more. The big advantages of ellipsoidals is you can focus and crop them. They tend to have sharp edges, and a long throw. Fresnels have a shorter throw. Their advantage is they have soft edges that blend easily.

I'm not an expert, more of a hack than anything. But if I were working on a large scale with longer distances, more fixtures, and complex scenes, I would want a lot of ellipsoidals. But on the smaller scale that's more fitting you or me, I might only want one or two. An ellipsoidal is perfect for highlighting a killer drum set. You can focus a lot of light on it and control the edges so it doesn't spill into video screens or back stage junk. They're also good for other spot areas that don't move -- keyboards or a player/singer that doesn't move around a lot.

On the smaller scale end of things, I'd probably find fresnels the most useful. I can keep adding more and they just blend nicely. I can focus and crop the light where I need it, but I know I won't have harsh edges.

The LED version of "PAR" are probably the least expensive fixtures and therefore they tend to be the most purchased. They're fine for mostly uncontrolled wash and uplighting. They'll definitely give you some color compared to having nothing.

I agree that software is going to be a better bet than trying to do everything on an expensive hardware-based dmx controller. Some of the cheap stuff has IR or microwave wireless control. You can link fixtures into groups and use a handheld remote to change colors and dim. That route is great for a low budget if the fixtures will also work with DMX so you can include them in your inventory once you add the dmx boxes and interface to a laptop or something.

Pulling this post out of the grave. I have a 4-person band that most plays small club venues (the echo, casbah, etc.). I'd love to have a portable light setup that provides some drama/interest to our live show and is quickly and easily setup and taken down. While I know MIDI and could probably learn DMX, we don't bring a laptop with us for backing tracks (I could do so - but again that takes a longer setup). The type of shows we're playing we need to be able to setup on stage in 15 minutes and tear down.

Would preferably have a lighting option that stands on its own (I can't be hanging these things at a venue), has an audio-sensitive or 'auto' mode to flip through colors in sync with the other lights (what I understand to be master/slave mode), and ideally in the future could accept DMX if we get to a point where we want to mess with programming lights for our set.

I could spend $1-2k on this if it's worth it and produces a cool effect.

Had my eyes on these:

Rockville MOTIONSTRIP Motorized Moving Head RGBW Color Strip Wash/Beam Light Bar
https://www.amazon.com/Rockville-MOT..._t1_B082369PD6
$200 each


TC-Home 252 LED RGB Wall Washer Bar Light 26 Channel DMX512 Color Mixing DJ Party Disco Stage Show 36W
https://www.amazon.com/TC-Home-Light...07CTLQ8F2?th=1
$65 each
(Rockville makes a battery powered similar deal for $149, $89 no battery)

I've seen bands with smaller 'trees' that are individual stands with LED's that move in scynd patters (down to up, blinking, etc), can't seem to find them with google searches.

hope this is still relevant. i've done a few shows with a multichannel audio player for backing tracks which can also spit out midi.
i used a midi to dmx converter to control a couple of led bar lights.
this might need more than 15min of setup time but you could have a streamlined, preconfigured kit with wireless dmx or battery powered led light cans.

this summer i want to try out this fantastic little player which also outputs video via hdmi.
https://www.m-live.com/en/b-beat/

i will try this midi to dmx box
https://www.doremidi.shop/products/d...mx-boxmtd-1024

and i'm very tempted to try out this new audio/video to dmx magic box by roland
https://proav.roland.com/global/products/vc-1-dmx/
which should do everything by itself and can be configured to your liking

For use with my pub 60s band, a set of 4 12x12w RGBW PARs cost buttons from Aliexpress (just under UKP 80) hit the right balance of price/performance.

Stick them on the floor, two set to colour fade at different rates, each connecting to another slave, and we're done. Nothing dynamic, nothing synced to the music, but 100% easy. Just plug in at the start of a set, and unplug at the end. Better lighting than most other pub bands I see, but as cheap as chips.

Yes, they're plastic, they're no way 12w emitters, but they're f*** bright. Slightly noisy fans, but completely inaudible in any pub. I like the fact that they have IEC & DMX in/out, all of which can be used with them laid flat on their back. Who knows how long they'll last, but they owe me nothing.

To really learn lights find something entry level with Hog4, like a Hoglet and a copy of the free Hog4PC. Get yourself a visualizer to go with it. You can use Hog3 wings with Hog4PC. These wings are less expensive. The other option is GrandMA. They are really trendy right now.

Everyone here is correct. Get some LED Pars and learn to use them. Get a few moving lights like the Robe Spikie. It’s small, cost effective, uses 100W and does quite a bit.

Maybe you can tyr X-M360

Why not try X-M360, which has received positive reviews from many users

Maybe you can try X-M360