Oh yes by analytical i meant very suited towards studio work like good studio reference monitors. Everything can be heard clearly with precision. I use an audio interface, the Audient ID22

Will an apollo twin power them well?

The Apollo Twin has enough power but in my experience it's always even better to couple with an equal quality amp or such to benefit from maximum power/headroom, and most importantly, dynamics.

For example the RME ADI-2 (they are about to release the newer ADI-2/4 gen) is amazing with such features a Loudness. But it comes at a cost.

My apologies I missed this on my cue months ago!
That's an interface I've used in collaborations a lot. Good to hear they provide studio-grade clarity through the Audient. Based on other comments here, were you able to receive proper power through the Audient?

Hello everyone. I'm from Russia, so if you have an offer, you know, a lot of things are not available to us. I bought a used R70x and use them with an Audient iD4 mkii. They sound narrow and very dark, very soapy, catastrophically few transients. Very early they start to distort, the sound seems to be limited, although they can be very loud on audient, but they are dirty loud. I went to the studio and listened to them on RME Babyface pro fs - they were wider, the upper middle was not so flashy, but they still started to distort early, and the reserve on rme was still 30-45 percent. Then I went to the seller of the JVC receiver, I liked the sound of the Headphones with it and, it seems, they were starting to wheeze at a louder volume, so I exhaled and now I think it's still about amplification. I am sure that I have good hearing and when people say that "the R70x sounds good from the phone" "the R70x are not very demanding" "they are not distorted at all" I feel like a fool. or I have a defective R70x, but then why do they play on a quiet one without sagging? Or I meet hundreds of people whose hearing is worse than mine and they just don't hear the changes, they don't hear the distortions. I also disagree that these Headphones have a sparkling middle. This is ridiculous. I hear a muffled sound, which has enough bottom for open Headphones, and the upper spectrum is small and it is not detailed enough. The middle mumbles - nothing sparkling. Taking them off and turning on the Yamaha HS5 I'm surprised how much I start to hear attacks. The JBL 305 mkii shows the same thing. If you compare the R70x with other Headphones, then I had the sennheiser 560s - they are much better than the R70x. The 560s has a wider stage, significantly! The bottom and top are much clearer. But the 560s has a less even tone, this is the only loss in favor of the R70x. Tell me it's just because of the gain? I'm upset. Very.

I use to work with them and they where a very good option. But when I check in my car the mix, normally I use to do 4 or 5 versions of the mix to get to a good place.
But since I use the Ollo S4X, I only need one mix, and I do the v2 or 3 just to show to my client other options.
But normally the choose the v1.
Anyway, the 650 are a very good headphones to work.

Hd650’s and a subpac and you could mix anything.

I've seen some buddies use that SubPac...what's your experience with it? How'd it add to the 650s?
It's an interesting concept, I've just never tried it. Is it more for EDM/other bass heavy genres?

You have to try it. It is absolutely the truth. Better than any subwoofer I’ve ever owned.

My mixes came out too bright with them. Most comfortable set I own by a country mile, but I found these to be the perfect reference headphone, but not a good mixing headphone. The HD6xx is probably the most widely owned set outside of Beats of high caliber headphones your listeners will have. So it's great to know what it'll sound like on them, but mixing on them they are too smooth IMO. Also thought they had terrible bass translation, not to mention needing a good amp to shine. All in all, great listening headphone, bad mixing headphone.

What model would you suggest for mixing?
Thanks!

If you lack the power, you can save up for a small preamp. Topping has well measured headphone amps. You can get them new, starting from $110. They’re really good. I had my HD800S with a mobile Topping (G5 iirc), it was absolutely excellent. I don’t know how focusrite headphones amp holds up. You don’t really need much extra power, but as mentioned by others, they can benefit for sure.

Check out audiosciencereview.com if you want to know more. But seriously, check our Topping. The NX1S is an older model, it’s also not the very best, but it’a even below 50$. But before you buy, check out if your interface can deliver the juice.

I agree with that assessment. I owned HD650s for about 5 years and found them very poor for mixing, despite their high price and generally positive reviews.

For listening to music for enjoyment I think they are great. Very comfortable. Everything sounds nice, no matter how poor the source.

But for mixing they really do mask problems. If a mix is too bright, you won’t hear it on these. There is no separation of bass frequencies and it’s really not possible to hear the difference between 40, 50, 60 hz when doing forensic work. It all blends together as indistinguishable.

I have read on GS others liking them with can opener and a specialised eq curve so ymmv.

I have a pair of HD650's. I do like them. I've gotten good results mixing with them along with Sonarworks Reference software.

However, I now have a pair of Focal Listen Pro's and you couldn't pry these from my heads. The clarity is hands down better than Senny HD 650... without using Sonarworks.

I agree with you
If I may, what headphones are you using now?
Thanks

^Slate VSX. They translate really well.

Ndh30

I just tried a pair of NDH30s. I was able to adjust mixes in 2h that took me days with my HD600s.

For example, when mixing in a kick drum that had a lot of attack, increasing 3dB on 3kHz shouted "NO" on the NDH30s while the HD600s said "Maybe not, but maybe yes?".

Similarly, hearing the low extension on the kick drum allowed me to notice I needed to gate it, as the 'boom' was too long for this track and tempo. On the HD600s it was there, but I wasn't capable of identifying it easily, I had to 'see' it first on the NDH30s to notice it on the HD600s.

Only the highs were a bit dull imo. Even when compared to the HD600s which I already thought they were on the dull side.

IMO if you're going to invest $300 for a good pair of headphones for mixing, add a bit more to get to the NDH30s. You'll get results faster, easier, with less frustration and will make things more fun.

Yeah they are nuts good. I check my highs on my other headphones but you can also get a bit more highs engaging realphones/sonarworks type stuff. Though I don't like to use those until the very end as ndh30 is almost perfect as is