New M221 omni from Gefell - Page 2

Janne_L · 22nd June 2011

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Originally Posted by rumleymusic ➡️

......on Monday we will have samples?

aracu · 24th June 2011

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Originally Posted by Marik ➡️

On this one I left the grids on. The piano (Steinway D in Bard College upstate NY) had new hammers and was not completely broken in, so needed some additional brilliance.

The microphone heads (of my own design) are transformer coupled--I needed that because in that particular hall I had to use 150' cables and also I ran into some noise issues there before. Also I used my own custom pres and AD converter going SPDIF into Masterlink and Tascam DR680 as a back up.

I used the mics with Jecklin disk. About 6 feet out the piano and 7 feet high. That hall has beautiful acoustics. To compensate for the new hammers and some too much of the mid-forward qualities of that particular instrument I used EQ--an octave wide bell down a few dBs on 400Hz.

Best, M

That is really interesting. I would love to know more about the mic heads which you design to go with the Gefell. I assume you mean all the electronics and body of the mic, besides the Gefell capsule, is that correct?

Janne_L · 26th June 2011

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Originally Posted by Janne_L ➡️

No microphones!!!!

Shipment did not work as promised, no microphones= no recording today.

Janne_L · 5th July 2011

I finally bought a pair of Gefell M221!

I would have bought a matched pair Thuresson CM402, but he (Jörgen) found it hard to get parts, so it was difficult to get answers on how long it would take to made a pair for me.

As soon as I have any recordings on a pipe organ, I'll post a sample here!

JonesH · 6th July 2011

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Originally Posted by Janne_L ➡️

I would have bought a matched pair Thuresson CM402, but he (Jörgen) found it hard to get parts, so it was difficult to get answers on how long it would take to made a pair for me.

He does matched pairs now? last time I mentioned that he just laughed and looked at me in a funny way...

I have a pair of the gefells waiting to test drive when I get back from vacation and tours.

Rumi · 18th September 2011

By now there MUST be a sample that can be uploaded. Beggin'...

JonesH · 3rd November 2011

Here's two short snippets from my test drive of the mics. The instrument is an old so-so Steinway, the location is Umeå City Church where my girlfriend is the principal organist. She's improvising over some swedish hymn in this clip.
The files haven't been thoroughly matched except by ear during the recording, but the 221 files are polarity switched for the right channel that was out of phase with regards to the other one (the mic, that is, not my cables!!)

didier.brest · 3rd November 2011

Thank you very much !
The M221 sounds slightly more robust (firts part in chords) and richer (second part).

mljung · 3rd November 2011

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Originally Posted by didier.brest ➡️

Thank you very much !
The M221 sounds slightly more robust (firts part in chords) and richer (second part).

I think I agree with this, a bit more body and weight in the sound from the Gefells. As a result the reverb [which sounds almost artificial] seems a bit more "washy" captured by the DPA's in this example.

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Mads

rumleymusic 🎙️ · 3rd November 2011

I like the smoothness of the Gefells. A little more character, less sterile.

Odd to hear they gave you a mic hooked up backwards. That, along with Janne_L troubles with the first pair he got is rather off-putting.

amfortas2006 · 3rd November 2011

Here is a rec I did a couple of days ago with a pair Josephson C617 (with the Gefell MK221 capsules).

I did add about 2dB at 500-600Hz.

Just a pair of the 221-s at roughly 65cm

didier.brest · 3rd November 2011

Nice!

Did you record the voice and the piano only with a C617 pair ?

There is this test with the C617 and the DPA 4006, and other ones (Schoeps, Sanken, Eathworks) where I hear the same kind of sound difference between the DPA and Josephson like between the DPA and the Gefell in the test from JonesH.

amfortas2006 · 3rd November 2011

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Originally Posted by didier.brest ➡️

Nice!

Did you record the voice and the piano only with a C617 pair ?

Hi Didier, yes only the pair (distance 3,20 m, width 65)

In this DPA/Gefell test (JonesH) i think I like the DPA better. But usually i always liked the Gefells (Josephson in early cases) better. Especially on piano, at the right distance they sounded so natural to me

MichaelPatrick · 4th November 2011

As a C617 owner I love the small M221 capsule because it captures amazing amounts of detail and the 200v polarization helps keep noise low. The usable dynamic range is huge. The practical benefit is clear resolution of microdynamics and pure long reverb tails like no other microphone I've heard.

markk02474 · 5th April 2021

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Originally Posted by JonesH ➡️

He does matched pairs now? last time I mentioned that he just laughed and looked at me in a funny way...

I have a pair of the gefells waiting to test drive when I get back from vacation and tours.

My pair of Josephson 617set microphones came today. The bodies are sequential serial numbers. The capsules tested the same day in July 2019.

The matching of the capsules is amazing! While the S/N on the test strip differed, everything else looked EXACTLY the same. Hardly the case for my Oktava MK-012 mics where the graphs are clearly different.

Rather than think $1,000 capsules are not individually measured, I'll choose to think that exacting German production standards yields no unit to unit variation.

Folkie · 6th April 2021

For the Josephson C617’s, they get capsules
chosen with a tighter tolerance than the general 221 capsules (per comment of David Josephson in an online interview).
The M221 mic is +/- 2dB (3.5-20k)
The C617 mic is +/- 1dB (10-20k)

studer58 · 6th April 2021

Interesting review of the M221 here: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews...ch-gefell-m221

Folkie · 7th April 2021

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Originally Posted by studer58 ➡️

Interesting review of the M221 here: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews...ch-gefell-m221

There is an optional 40mm sphere available for the C617. Also the C617 has a higher sensitivity 66 vs 50 mV/pa and as mentioned above has a tighter frequency spec. +/- 1 dB vs +/- 2dB vs. the M221.

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