I usually use CRP and TaiChi much more frequently than Seventh Heaven, but it is an interesting suggestion indeed.

It's a great suggestion - but my first thought (wrongly or rightly) would be to use Seventh Heaven first ie for early reflections followed by something Lexiconesque
'dreamy' for the tails? I say that 'cos I tend to think of Bricasti/Seventh Heaven as setting the surrounding space - almost like a wonderful-sounding (the best-sounding?) and very adaptable convolution reverb?
(Obviously SH is itself a convolution reverb plugin - albeit an incredibly flexible one - but I'm thinking here more of the Bricasti 'sound' a such).

I personally dislike 7HP early reflections - way too dark and murky, whereas I've yet to hear better than CRP.

Once wielding the best ERs in CRP, you can then go with 7HP or HDCart for the tail. Or other reverb that provides that kind of control.

Caveat: I long ago deleted 7HP from my computer because I didn't like it, and also generally don't get along with most convolution reverbs (with Liquidsonics ones being my favorites).

Interesting, thanks

Big mistake deleting 7H Pro, especially after recent updates, big mistake, Vito

I do have M7, but almost in every project I use SH Pro as well.

I’ll reinstall it! No horse heads or paper wrapped fishes, please. Ha.

I honestly think it’s the convolution-al aspect that makes it sound worse to me than CRP. But maybe the sound design, too, isn’t my thing.

(Goes off to see what the updates were….)

I really fell in love with Baby Audio Crystalline when it came out a few years ago and it's been my go-to ever since. I never hear people talking about it.

I’ve sunk a fair bit on reverbs. Currently have:

- Blackhole immersive
- Pro R3
- Valhalla vintage
- Raum
- magic 7
- tai chi lite
- toraverb 2

I like them all - especially Raum which I got for free with a controller.

Vintage is my main bus reverb.

Tai chi lite”s default Golden Room preset is just incredible and sounds great with synths.

Reverb have gotten very good in the box.
However, I bought the lexicon PCM a while ago and they've never updated it for Apple silicon, which sent me down a slippery slope of looking for other alternatives

Anything by Valhalla is great, vintage verbs and room are the one I have and I've left it pretty much like that

The ab road stuff from waves was good. Their original IR plug-in had a lot of room captions that you had to download, including CBGB, which is an amazing sounding room having played there along time ago and seen many bands… That I can be great on rock tracks… Mostly just to say in your mind hey it's CBs
Also in that waves IR is Bill Shnee original room, that manny Maroquin now has.

Anyone that has waves IR verb it's worth downloading the extra stuff just to explore. one thing about waves is their stuff works, and they did capture some spaces which are not available anymore…

Having said that: I got cinematic rooms prof and seventh heaven, prof

Liquidsonic Has to be one of the most forward thinking and transparent companies operating… I am very confident in buying their products... Their name comes up a lot here in LA mostly in the composing TV movie world

one day I'll get tai chi

You can pile your discounts fron owning 7th heaven and crp on each other tp bring down the price of tai chi.
I am just saying...

I’m thinking of using 7HP again in the next track, but if 7HP is the same as M7, then there’s a possibility that CRP is a better reverb than 7M at least for me. However, Vitocorleone123 said he dislike convolution, and I feel the same way. I feel convolution reverbs tend to build up. CRP rarely builds up.

Can I ask you two questions?

1. If you use convolution reverb, do you tweak it?

2. Why don't you like a convolution reverb, in principal?

By the way, M7 and CR Pro are the most modern reverbs - doesn't matter if it is plugin or hardware, and they have some very common characteristics, for example like that, but not only. So, it is a little bit contradictive saying what you said.

I have 7HP and Altiverb, but I don’t really like either of them, so I don’t use them. That makes me think convolution might be the reason. As I said, they are not clean to my ears. Also, since I don't have M7, I don’t know whether the M7 is actually good or not. That’s what I’m saying. I don't really tweak convolution reverbs except a few parameters, but why are you asking it?

Well, you just said a magic word - tweak!

Do you know that if you use SH Pro with stereo send to surround bus (even 5.1) and back to stereo out, you could immediately control sound much better with only Early Reflections which would sound more defined? And then control Front, Rear and Center, and create absolutely new sound and space staying in stereo domain only? If you switch to tail/reverb only you would have more dense reverb, very tweakable, too.

If you go to the Gear icon/ Settings >Surround then you have control on Central Channel Mono Upmix, Crossfeed and Surround Propagation that still would work in stereo as well.

Then if you go to Audio Meters on the right and chose Wet Mix Trim, now you have control on Front, Center and Rear levels. Still in stereo you could work with Atmos SH Pro like no other plugins and not even as a hardware M7, or not as Quantx ver. 2, which used the same idea only in more simple way.

And since every single reverb channel could be independently controlled and is already decorrelated, what you have is much more than you probably think.

Yes, I know some engineers are keeping forever their Lexicons on Tiled Room preset, but what’s the point?

And I'm not even talking about Cinematic Room Pro now, which could be used in a similar way but with many more controls.

I'd say use every option, try any combination and discover new spaces.

Thank you!

And since we are on this great topic, let's see what mighty Cinematic Room Pro could do in a similar situation:

• Layer up different reflection proximity and sizing for an extremely detailed early reflection environment (even set some with lower and higher diffusion and change the relative levels of them with the trim control) – don’t worry about comb filtering or other artefacts as the delays fall close to each other, they are designed to sound great even as they climb all over one another!
  
• Add different pre-delays, filter curves and undulation settings to reverb tails to make complex echo patterns that really bounce around (also add some delays too if you like excess)
  
• Filter and elongate the reverb time of a plane for a complex extensions in different frequency bands
  
• Balance the early / late reverb mix in different planes to enhance or subdue the effect of your early/late edits.

More here:

https://www.liquidsonics.com/2020/06...-professional/

I think it's excellent. When you want to put something in a space and you don't want it to sound as if it has reverb on it, this does the trick. I won't bother with adjectives, just try it on something yourself and you will see how it differs from a lot of other reverbs.


Yeah, it's insane value. But now you even get Verberate 2 included in the Standard version along with Equalize 2, just not as plugins you can use in other hosts, but still..

Standard Edition

ARA support (previously Premium-only)
Spectral editing now included
Full Verberate 2 now included (only in app - not plug-in)
Full Equalize 2 now included (only in app - not plug-in)

https://acondigital.com/products/acoustica

Getting better all the time. Get the higher version if you want to use those plugins in other DAWs. It's really not expensive at all for what you get. And Acoustica is such a superb audio editor, I use it far more often than Wavelab for every day and quick editing tasks.


Good question. I bought it a while back but haven't really put it through its paces. I did however put this one from them -

https://unitedplugins.com/VerbumEntropicHall/

through quite a bit of testing and I think it's an exceptional reverb at smaller reverb sizes - perfect if you want to give a bit of life or space to a loop or even a full mix - it's very 'transparent' and another one you only notice when you turn it off. But it's still got quite a bit of life to it all the same that adds a bit of 'excitement'.

It's on sale now for £7.

Here are a couple of dozen presets I made up for it that display what it can do at smaller reverb sizes:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/5rsfw...ESETS.zip/file

Place the folder once extracted here:

C\Users\[USERNAME]\Documents\SoundeviceDigital\Verbum\


It seems to get more unruly and metallic and gnarly the longer the reverb times, but at shorter decay amounts it really does sound superb. Most those presets are at shorter decay times.

I've had it set up now as my default reverb in Foobar when I listen back to loops or even full mixes of stuff, albeit WIPs and not finished projects. There's very little it doesn't work on and give a bit of life to - it really does work across a wide spectrum of program material. Just don't overdo it. You'll soon know when you do!

For £7 it's a great reverb to have (even if you don't agree with me how excellent it sounds at shorter settings - the medium sized ones are still very usable and interesting). I like this one a lot and love the fact it works across such a broad range of material. I couldn't find many subtle presets with this (though it does come with quite a few different presets), and that's why I experimented and made up my own. There's a lot of things you can tweak on this as well as you can see from the interface.

I get that they wanted to push this as an 'in your face' reverb, and it certainly is that. But it really shines when you just ease off a little bit and use it for ambience instead. A little bit goes a long way on this one. Imho.

Thanks for the link to the article, I hadn't read that one. Something to play around with the LS plugins. I'll have to find the best way to mix the channels back down to stereo in Reaper.

Cheers @ Omega_Man
Got that Verbum Entropic Hall too and read your great ideas on it. It’s an amazing deal for a pretty good verb.

I have quite a few that I like a lot, depending on the source:

UAD Capitol Chambers
UAD EMT 140
UAD Pure Plate
UAD Lexicon 224
UAD Hitsville Chambers
Altiverb (mostly use some of the theatres as well as the Wendy Carlos EMT 140)
UAD Oceanway

Something from left field: I recently decided to check out the Waves IR-L impulse library which I've had for well over a decade.

Under "Sampled Acoustics V2/Devices/Spring" there is an IR that blows me away. A spring reverb that sounds HUGE and alive, very atypical for an impulse. I put the Analog Obsession UREQ in series to shave off transients and a bit of high end. Sounds fabulous.

Melda TurboVerb or Relab Quantx for very small Room. All UAD Plate are excellent, and I still use Relab 480 and Liquid Sonic Seventh Heaven

Lexicon put out an updated PDF, that says March 2025, and then when you see it, it’s the same one they’ve had out for five years

They have the plug-in on their splash screen, of the website. But no updates.

The company that’s sitting on an asset that any other company would die for is just screwing around… Especially with customers that paid hundreds of dollars for it

I think that's actually the problem. Though it once was the top of the mountain in its category, it hasn't kept up with the Joneses since Carnes left and it's no longer the asset that it once was, therefore lacking value and therefore lacking a good reason to maintain it.

I went back recently and look at the last 50 mixes I have done and what plugins I used (was making a new mix template)

Since I last posted in here, it seems I have stuck with these as the main three.
Relab LX480
Valhalla Vintage Verb
Seventh Heaven.

However the past 10 mixes also had

BM60


And the past 3 mixes added:

UVI Plate


That's it.

The new mix template is
LX480
UVI Plate
VVV

I am a reverb junkie and I have tons of stuff from Relab, Valhalla, UAD, FF, Softube, Waves, Liquidsonics and whatnot. It's all fun stuff but to be honest I could get the same great results with Chromaverb/Spacedesigner and Quantec which come stock in Logic. It's the boring truth - at least for me. Cheers & happy producing !

same, almost all bundles, and no favourite.
For effect, i like large reverbs like TC6000 and Blackhole.
Havent managed to achive that ultra realistic large space with TC6000 and Blackhole, but theyre good enough.
The to go reverb is VVV at a low level, and EMT250 and IK-M did OK in my shootout too.

Those don't all sound the same, though.

You don't know that, it is your assumptions, nothing else.

I just had a great experience fixing my Lexicon PCM 96 with Harmon services center in Tijuana/San Diego. Repairs were done in two days with a very detailed and constant communication about every stage, started with arriving, details about fixing and then shipping.

Just call and ask, and by the way, since you are mostly in México, as I remember, just go there and talk to them..

Cinematic Rooms sounds much more alive than 7th.
And the PowerCore DVR2 and VSS3 sound much MUCH more alive than Cinematic Rooms