Any new DAW cotrol surface being unveiled???? Are their any rumors??? Looking for a 8 motorized fader power house in a small foot print. Didn't like the looks of the ones tht were released last year. Waithing to see what 2017 have to offer.

I'm waiting for one that is super simple. slim profile, 8 motorized faders, maybe 2 or 3 pots for pan and sends, led scribble strip on top, mute and solo buttons with a transport section. I'd easily pay around $1000-1500 for that.

Presonus FaderPort 8?

It's not exactly what you're looking for, but Presonus' new line of consoles have most of the features you're seeking.

not low profile enough

Same here. I currently on the Icon Platform M which could've been a jack pot for icon but insteadl, they build a ugly design and not fully functional with Pro Tools. Wht a waste of development. The Avid Artist Mix would've been perfect if it wasnt for the Eucon protocol. Smh

It seems to me the hardware controller market is almost impossible to please people with. To me it seems like a fool's errand at this point and I'm glad I just moved on to a touch screen.
I know there are many of you still waiting on that perfect controller, but I doubt it will come. I think you'd need a modular system to be able to please everyone, which will likely be too expensive to please almost anyone.
I wish you all good luck. I'll watch the video of whatever comes out, but I very much doubt I'll buy it. I found what I was looking for and I hope you guys do too.

I am considering this. I like what it has to offer and its delerance. They way its design (look wise) looks ok. Just need something as compact but more pro looling with low to mid profile.

Not sure I understand the logic behind this? EuCon protocol is far superior to the HUI or MCU protocols which is what the other units use (and the Artist Mix can emulate).

Yea I understand the whole from Eucon. I guess my real problem is tht it uses Ethernet connection instead of USB 2.0 or 3.0 or Thunderbolt connection. Jumping out of my comfort zone towards it seem like real big risky leap for me. Wish I could demo it.

What software are you using? Pro Tool? Logic? Cubase? or Other? I would not be afraid of ethernet if that is your only worry. They use DHCP so all you need to do is install them and your computer or hub will automatically assign IP addresses. You don't have to have a degree as an IT professional to set them up. Just install the Software, Plug them up, Check the Econ button in your DAW that is Econ enabled and thats it.

I am not a big fan of the Avid Artist series HUI and Mackie Emulation. It is buggy with some software. Its strong points are eucon.

I use Pro Tools for myvrecirding session, mixing, and mastering. And I use Fl Studio as a composer for creativity and productions. Thanks for clearing tht up for me. I'll take this to consideration. Definitely keep a eye on it.

Control surface with 16 motorized faders for 1.5/2k: that's what I'm waiting for since a while - and I can't understand why behrigner/presonus/icon haven't already presented a product like that. There's Avid S3 but..... 4.5k?

Man!!!! If only the new Mackie Axis DC16
was a actual DAW control surface instead of a digital mixing system!!! Smh I would have been sold!!!!

When it comes to PT and hardware controllers, nothing beats the Eucon protocol and as it's currently locked down to work with Avid controllers only, this is going to be your best option.

I use two artist mixes. for faders alone.. it's a no brainer. I've not spent the time to use it to call up plugins and such, but it can control parameters. I would rather have the soft keys of the S3 but i'd need a new desk :face palm:
It's worth it. You can get used ones for a steal now.

Honestly i dont know why a DAW company doesnt come up with a 24 channel control surface like a C24 without all the fluff.

Im leaning toward the Artist Mix. As the design still look better than all the new compact control surface tht came out since it released. Ima wait it out a little before dropping the money on it. I did hear from a Sweetwater specialist that Avid suppose to be releasing a new modern day evolution of the Artist Mix or Artist series.

Avid Artist Mix then. 1.2 inches as opposed to the Faderport's whopping 2.25.

Hmmm.... I've only heard that the Artist series downfall was build quality.

Eucon is the protocol most fully supported by Avid, or so I thought.

What are the issues with Eucon?

I think Tascam did that already.

Field Test: Tascam US-2400 Controller | Mixonline

Still found on eBay occasionally... hey there are 2 there right now:

tascam us2400 | eBay

It's annoying.
There is a real gap in the mid sized market.
You get the higher end S6 / Nuage and the low end Mackie stuff.
What's really missing is the stuff that takes only little space like the artist but is actually of a very high build quality.

Well there is some of it, but not much.
Personally I think there are many good reasons for that.
1. Quality components are expensive, more expensive that most users are willing to pay for.
2. The perfect feature set doesn't seem to exist. It's pretty much different for everyone you talk to, let alone the layout of them.
3. The protocols and possibilities vary too much between DAWs.

You either end up with something generic or something proprietary.

I haven't seen anything new to try and fight that since the Steinberg modular things, which I thought were a good step.

The best cost effective way to do it for me is DTouch or Raven MTi2.
I know the DTouch guys are considering a faderbank to line up with a 27" screen.
It'll be low profile and won't get in the way of the touch screen. Maybe for those hell bent on physical faders (I'm not), This will prove to be the best solution.

Hell. Nothing has impressed me on the hardware controller market in a long long time. I'm not holding my breath, neither I think should anyone. I know it's not what most people want to hear but ask your self if it's such a no brainer product why hasn't anyone released it in the last decade? It was surely technically feasible all this time.
We'll see. I agree that the artist mix form factor is closest to what looks both low profile and functional.

same actually if that was available i would pay $1000 if it was really good quality, not $1500, im too stingy

I have heard all this before from product experts, but I believe this is where the analysis of the market is actually wrong.

Many musicians are willing to pay thousands for a piece of wood in the shape of an expensive guitar. Why shouldn't the same group of people be willing to invest in nice studio gear that actually fits into their bedrooms?
I know a lot of those same people buy expensive preamps or microphones and I don't see a reason why they should not want to invest in high grade but small form factor fader banks.
If you took the modular approach that Steinberg has used with their extreme low end controllers and applied it to good looking higher end faders and knobs you could make a fortune, I am quite sure.

The examples you have given all provide a sound and colour. A hardware controller has no sound and is considered as alternative to a mouse.

There are so many hardware controllers on the market today. If none of them fit your needs, then you are looking at the wrong item to begin with.

I am looking for high end low noise faders in a artist mix kind of form factor. The number of controllers on the market to satisfy that need is zero.

Well sure there are people who are willing to invest a few k into a hardware controller. But the fact that someone is willing to pay thousands for a guitar, doesn't necessarily mean they will or can pay the same amount for a control surface. There are many people with expensive equipment who have invested zero in acoustics and may even have crappy monitor speakers.

What makes sense to you might not make sense to others.
But that doesn't matter. I agree with the modular thing. It could work for users.
But we haven't seen them yet (outside of S6, for example).
I fear it'll be too pricey for most people, including manufacturers to keep such a product range alive. But I hope it comes. I just happen to suspect that since they've had ample time to come out with such a system, there are probably valid reasons why no company in the mid range market has launched it.

In stead, you're stuck with varying iterations of meh. From Behringer to Presonus to Avid.
They all seem decidedly meh to me.

You are right, what makes sense to me does not necessarily make sense to others.

Plus:

AVID has bought the rights to Eucon. A company would have to come up with an advanced standard like that. Apart from Steinberg there is probably noone on the market with that expertise. (they have specified EuCon with Euphonix and Nuage protocols)
However a new standard would have to be accepted by other DAW manufacturers.
Only Yamaha could be the company to come up with a solution but obviously they thin that a musicians or audio post console needs to look like a live sound desk while in reality this form factor is actually very unergonomic unless you only mix snd never edit on such a system.