Hi all,

I've really been looking forward to these Soundcraft Signature 22MTK Mixers for a while now, and i'm set to buy one late Jan/Early Feb, however, only if they actually manage to do what i'm thinking they do, as far as i've found Soundcraft haven't been the clearest on one thing...

So lets imagine i've got my 22MTK connected to my DAW via the desks built in USB...

In my DAW, will it show 24 Ins and 22 Outs available?

Will i be able to assign any In to any Out, or is it restricted to the selected In has to be the same as the out?

Am I missing something huge and actually this can't send 24 channels to my DAW and 22 Back, and i've got the wrong idea entirely? It seems too good to be true for that price, considering the cost of most AD/DA Convertors :L

Thanks!

You have the gist of Soundcraft's promise correct, 24 in and 22 back out over USB. Output routing is handled in your DAW so you should be able to send any track or tracks to any output available on the MTK. For instance, if you wished to return just the stereo drum bus instead of each kit piece, you could do so by routing the individual drums tracks to a stereo bus in your DAW and returning that bus to one of the MTK's stereo channels.

The catch here -- and it's a BIG catch -- is that your "too good to be true for that price" fear is also possibly correct. I used that exact phrase in the humongous "Soundcraft Signature DNA Series Mixers" GS thread all the way back in January 2015 when this new line was announced at NAMM. That thread was filled with equal parts excitement and venom from aggravated pre-order customers like me (on order for 8 months now), and was recently entirely deleted from the forum, presumably at Soundcraft's request.

Unfortunately, three weeks shy of a full year since these were announced, the MTK units look no closer to seeing the light of day than they did back then. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you shouldn't expect to get one in "January or February", as you hope. Not only are they not yet in production, they aren't even out of the design phase. There is still an as-yet unrevealed design flaw that Soundcraft hasn't solved. This is at least the third such problem with the MTK units (a pricing issue w/ one of their component providers and a poorly-placed internal power supply that cuased excessive noise and crosstalk being the others). The units have already gone up in price by $50 since being announced. Now the fear is that Soundcraft has simply bitten off more than they can chew and these will never be released at all.

It's a shame, really, because the 12 MTK that I have on order simply has no direct competitor. Nothing in it's price range can touch it's feature-set. And nothing that can touch it's feature-set is even remotely near it's price.

And I'm beyond sick of waiting. I've had money burning a hole in my pocket since LAST Christmas. NAMM is now only a few weeks away so I'm going to wait to see if any other company announces something similar (or Soundcraft announces a firm availability date) at the show. If nothing materializes, I'm going to pick up a PreSonus StudioLive 16.0.2 -- a mixer that is not analog, has inferior pre-amps, EQ and onboard effects, that is near the end of it's life-cycle, and that costs more than double the price. That's a kick in the nuts.

Was the previous thread deleted??

Yes, it was. A new thread has been created that contains a link to parts of the old thread on Wayback Machine.

No explanation for the deletion has been provided (I emailed the GS admin but received no reply). The consensus is that Soundcraft asked for it to be removed because it had grown so large that it was one of the top 3 Google search results for the term "Soundcraft". There was a little bit of good info in the thread, including half a dozen posts from Sean, the Product Manager for the Signature line. Mostly, though, the thread was people speculating on the cause of the problems with the MTK mixers and the long, long delay. There was more than a bit of anger and dissatisfaction with Soundcraft, hence their desire to remove it.

The whole thing really sucks. This time last year I had just collected the Christmas money I received from various relatives and was deciding which new interface to buy. I was literally a week away from purchasing a PreSonus 1818VSL in January last year when Soundcraft announced the Signature line at NAMM. I was so blown away by what the 12 MTK offered at $399 (price has since gone up) that I decided to wait until "late March/early April" release date that Soundcraft was touting and get one of those instead of the 1818VSL. That decision was made the last week of January, 2015. Check your calendars, folks ...

whats the latest with this? did anyone receive one? whats the verdict?

End of january they say it will be released. Thats is just after NAMM...

A question, this mixer does not have any return channels. How do we use outboard effects on it? Audio going to the external effect through AUX send, but how do we return it? Using up a stereo channel or two mono channels. That wont left many channels left, at least not on the 12 MTK... Right?

This is exactly what I've been trying to say, and exactly what I think, just you have the way with words! Thank you!

I had the same question, and came to the same conclusion. I got bummed and decided to check the Presonus 16.0.2 but it also has no send/returns, so I believe would have to do the same aux out / channel in routine on that as well.

On another note, one of the above posts says the Presonus has inferior pres and effects. Do others agree?

I said inferior to the Signature MTK, not inferior in general. I'm sure the pres and effects on the StudioLive are just fine. Truth is, no way to know whether they're inferior than the MTK or not, though, as no one but Soundcraft reps have ever heard them. It's going to be AT LEAST another month still ...

This is Waiting for Godot.
Release date is now, for the 15th time, pushed forward until April.

Well gentlemen, it looks as if the MTK's have finally hit the streets. European streets at least. Hopefully, the colonies will be next. It's that "Slow boat FROM China" thing now.
I'm hoping that latency isn't a showstopper, or this thing will have little to no actual, usable value....

Cant see it for sale anywhere... Mid May says Thomann, one of europes biggest dealers. Where did you see it?

The 22 MTK is on the cover of the April issue of Sound on Sound and is reviewed therein. I posted a few excepts from the review in another GS thread, or you can purchase it as a downloadable pdf for only $0.99 from the Sound on Sound website.

While the reviewer didn't discuss the multi-track functionality until very late in the review, he had great things to say about it's stability and performance.

For me, the global phantom power issue is a deal breaker (the mixer lacks switchable phantom power on a per channel basis). With other similarly priced mixer able to do this, I am not sure why Switchcraft left this feature off of an otherwise very attractive unit. Particularly in a tension packed, "rush- rush" situation (live or in the studio), tis could get very dicey.

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Soundcraft Signature 22MTK Mixer with Multitrack USB Interface | Andertons

I suppose "we shall see" if and when they hit our hallowed shores.

Thx -td

PS - I tried using the "Link Sharer"

Pre-order (and prepay of course) have been available a year now. I prefer the interest rate of my bank over the one at the shop :-)

Soundcraft Signature 22 MTK 22-Input Multi-Track Mixer 5049563

So this looks like it's shipping now, anyone have hands on?

Yes these have started to ship.

Shipment to Europe arrived first.

Check this thread for some initial reviews:
Soundcraft Signature MTK's status

I am trying to route individual tracks from my DAW to playback on individual tracks on my 22MTK.
I've tried changing the output settings on each track but I can't seem to find how to route (for example) track 1 in the DAW to track 1 on the 22MTK.
When I try to change the output on each track to a destination track on the 22MTK, it only gives me stereo track options and not mono track options.
For example, I have a softsynth recorded on track 1 and would like to send it via USB to track 1 on the 22MTK so that I can mix it.
Can anyone here help me with this?

Thanks!

You need to set up your audio i/o in your DAW. I use Studio One 3, and my i/o config dialog looks like this:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...3hkaVplbUs1bm8

Not sure which DAW you use, but yours will be similar. It should be easy to find under the Options or Settings headers in your DAW. You need to add/remove/edit inputs and outputs

Thanks very much for the reply, Scadh.
I am using Logic Pro X and I have tried going into the I/O settings but when I click on Inputs there are no options to add tracks.
The Outputs show up but these are all stereo outs and no mono outs.
I know you aren't a Logic user but hopefully someone else here can help?

Google, this is my friend Morphon. Morphon, meet Google!

https://help.apple.com/logicpro/mac/...#/lgcp53689108

I'm having a ****ing awful time with this console.

When I record guitar along with drums and bass, I play in time.
When I playback the track, the guitar as way out of sync with the rest of the music.

How do I fix this?

There should be a "switch/checkbox" somewhere in your DAW that tells it to automatically correct for latency. This will align any track laid down, forward in time to the place on the timeline you recorded it. When you record your track, monitor directly from your board. All should be well. This only works if you're not expecting to use internal effects while tracking and will be applying them later during mix down. Hint - use analog effects and record both an effected & dry channel simultaneously (you can always effect and re-amp the dry channel later). Warning! This will NOT align tracks previously recorded.

If you need those software effects WHEN you track, You need to work on getting the latency of your drivers/machine as low as possible (somewhere under 20ms is usually acceptable). In this case you would want to monitor the output of your DAW. If you monitor both (direct & DAW) at the same time, you'll get anything from flanging sound to slap delay in your monitor .

The first option is the easiest & most stable if you can live with it. It's a never ending challenge to keep the latency as low as possible while not introducing artifacts into your audio. I feel for you bro. I've been there .

I just got the Soundcraft MTK 22 and am having a hell of a time setting it up in Studio One 3. Can anyone post a screenshot of the I/O settings please? I see Scadh has posted the input assignment for each track above, but what about the outputs? Studio one gives you the option to ad sub outs..and with that you loose the ability to pan on the mixer and in the daw. Can someone with expierience please help! How do you set up the master return channel so you can record back into the DAW? I really wish they would have included S1 in the manual . Thanks for any help!!

Attached is pics of my routing in Studio One. Is this correct? When I pick a channel to record through, say ch1, I also send it back through that same channel which in the mixer is a submix and the panning disappears. The only out that has panning and is not a submix for whatever reason is 21/22. Thanks for any help!! If these dam pics are upside down I'm sorry. When frustrated as hell everything goes wrong!