Available on Wednesday.

This looks fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvtQ3fJoNLM

At a Starbucks listening to this… turned it off after 4 minutes - the brand ambassador needs a few cups of coffee and some modulation of his voice would be nice… couldn’t get passed it… maybe the mood I’m in… it may be the most wonderful piece of software….

The announcement is fine and Justin has always been incredibly helpful with the info seminars. The update looks cool.

I don't think that's fair at all tbh. Justin is probably the most helpful brand ambassador for any DAW I've ever known.

Justin is one of the most help people on the internet. Period.

Looks like a nice step up in features for Wavlab.

Sorry guys. I was distracted and hyped up on coffee He’s a good guy….

I wonder how much it will cost for the upgrade. I have been a loyal Wavelab user for 28 years and started with version 1.8.2.

Justin is a good person and a good presenter...FWIW

Used Wavelab for years - jumped ship to HOFA this year - the ability to create a self-contained player from a project that you can sent to the client is crazy! They can then cut CDs straight from the player if that's what they're into.

I agree with others, Justin's site & videos are fantastic, and he's one of the most helpful people I've met (there are a handful still on here that are also on that list). I feel like 80% of what I do in Wavelab (other than processing decisions) are at least based on/evolved from his published presets. If they weren't free on his website, I would pay some amount of money for them.

That being said, I do often start his streams late and pretty much watch all the videos at 1.5x speed. I like/appreciate his calm nature, but yeah....I do want to get through a lot of it faster. I do that with most YT videos that don't include meaningful music, though.

He's a good dude.

You can use DDP Player Maker separate from the mastering DAW, and WL also has a DDP Player...it's just not possible to create a "locked" player with those specific features.

It's been a while since I've tried Hofa, but with this update....I'm not interested in it.

And according to PG, there's other stuff in it that wasn't covered in the video. I wonder if they're going to release the new features guide or manual before Wednesday?

Cool Deal Thomas!

The first 2 features that JP mentions are real winners for me.

I’ve been doing much of this manually…

Project File Management much like Pro Tools,

and hand written notes for Master Section settings.

Kudos to Justin for yet another excellent tutorial video

I also like Andrew Blake’s basic WL tutorials, although he’s gone subscription on those.

Maybe this will give me a reason to Upgrade in 2024,

With a New Mac DAW, at least to catch w WL.

Cheerio, JT

Agreed 100%. No brainer for me. What Justin already showed is more than enough to get me to upgrade. But as has been mentioned, there's much more to be announced.

I understand what you mean, but not everyone can spend the time on the slick, polished production of Dan Worrall videos, that's not what we need here on this anyway. The greatest thing about Justin is that he knows WL backwards and forwards and he uses it daily for clients, and his practical knowledge of it is phenomenal, with tons of little tips that he's willing to share all the time, including in the Steinberg forum. So as a brand ambassador, he's top notch in my book.

If you have a fairly recent version the upgrade should be about 80 bucks. If you wait for the summer sale it's half that again or about 40 bucks.

All the information is on the Steinberg site and is pretty straightforward to understand.

As long as you aren't trying to upgrade from Wavelab 3, then those prices are pretty solid going back quite a few versions.

Steinberg IHMO are fairly generous with regard to upgrade prices. Best part is if you haven't registered software yet that you bought, you get the latest version when you authorize (I'm doing this with my not yet used Wavelab 11 license). And even better you get full access to all previous versions in their FTP archive.

If you are upgrading Cubase every update cycle, then you may feel differently, at least if you aren't able to wait for their usual summer sales. This profession/hobby is a money pit, but Steinberg aren't the very worst of the gougers.

There is nothing on their site about upgrade prices...See https://www.steinberg.net/wavelab/


FWIW

Click "buy wave lab pro" then you'll get a tab for cross grades and upgrades.

The last few I've done were $100 from the latest version, this was after I initially bought it the first time for like $350 IIRC with a competitive cross-grade from another DAW I owned. I believe the competitive cross-grade is available for almost everything, and no....you don't have to give up your license for the other software. It's more like an industry discount. Compared to PT Ultimate or especially Sequoia....it feels like it's free.

But, from my view, just from what's announced, it's going to be $100 for:

- Better project-based workflow (which I already used but was a PITA)
- Flexible level matching in the montage itself
- Replicating plugin settings between clips (I'd prefer for this to be more automatic with some settings to control it, but that actually makes it viable to cut songs into separate clips for external editing or to process one section a little differently - this is one of the big ones for me)
- Null testing tracks (which would simplify some things I already do)
- Updated "Album Wizard" workflow (which looks more flexible than the "CD Wizard" that already was basically an album wizard)
- zoom to peaks (which I think is a significant visual improvement)
- Simplified loudness analysis (which is cool)
- Playback plugins tied to outputs (e.g., HRTF only on headphones - this alone would simplify my setup)

All that is easily worth ~$100 to me.

This looks super useful so far!

My big hope, and what would make it 100% essential for me, is full montage automation. That would improve bettermaker hw workflow exponentially. I really hope they’ve figured out a way to incorporate that ?

TBH I’ll probably upgrade either way though.

No such button on the page...FWIW https://www.steinberg.net/wavelab/

Another QFT from me Moose!

Album Wizard, I like that, as long as they retain CD Burning. (&DVD-A)

PT style project management, def a winner. I do a manual belabored version of this daily, putting all the audio files, session docs, log sheets, & render folders all in One Big Clearly Named Artist folder, for double backups.

Zoom to Peaks, Yes!

Loudness leveling & analysis, I mostly do by ear, but never say never.

Yeah, if one is using the DAW to produce revenue, then the upgrade cost shouldn’t be a big concern.

It’s a Tax deduction here in USA, as is upgrading to a new Mac. I’ve been a taxpayer for over 50 years :~)

cheers, JT

This is a day one update for me -- even if it looks like I won’t be getting an extra envelope this time. Or?

j,

I've got it available:

https://streamable.com/pl4l54

As I said...

This is to update to Wavelab 11.2 NOT WL 12

Indeed, Wavelab 12 isn't out yet. But it will be the exact same buttons on the exact same page. (edit: and the prices will be the same as now give or take a few Euros - that's how this lark has always operated.)

looks like a great update, even has ARA2 and looks more colourful…. the new file management is a biggie for me too

Looks like that's probably a no: https://forums.steinberg.net/t/incor...ugjns/889436/6

Even using the WL12 private beta quietly for a while, Justin says he still uses Reaper with some scripting for that, apparently before WL...not sure.

I work ITB by choice, so it doesn't bother me. But, it seems like there's something complex going on with getting them to work right.

I wonder if plugin-controlled hardware works right with clip/item effects in PT.

I do something similar, but it's not "belabored" because it's all scripted, at least to create the folder structure and create some files that can at least be started ahead of time.

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to adapt my script to also work with the new Project features....which I think will simplify a couple things and reduce the possibility of human error in a couple very specific places.

Anymore info or video on the "album wizard"? still rocking Hofa here..

It seems like album wizard is mostly a rebrand of CD wizard, but i was multitasking while the launch livestream was on and probably missed a bunch

I only finally got 11.2 on a cyber week discount so might not jump on 12 right away but probably very soon!

If that was recent you might find you are within the grace period for free upgrade to 12.

Well that would be a real treat! I won't hold my breath, but might shoot customer service an email on Wednesday. Thanks for the tip!

There's no guarantees that the past informs the future but the grace period for Wavelab has typically been two months. All you have to do on Wednesday is quit your Steinberg apps, go into Steinberg Activation Manager desktop application, click the "v" (down arrow) below the user account icon and click "grace period check" - you can activate from there if it's available. It'll take up to an hour or so for the upgrade to register if the servers are busy from the rush of v12 upgradees.