I just got back my ATB24 from repair (2 pan-pots were broken).
The guy forgot took off one ribbon-cable and did not put it back again.

If there is anybody out who has an opened ATB (maybe because he just sets up his meterbridge) PLEASE take a look where this ribbon is plugged in - i cant find the right position.

It is the small ribbon on the very right side of the master-section fixed near the master fader and running towards the rear-side (connection side) of the mixer!

Thank you a million times for your help!!!!!!
Peter

Peter, this cable is for the digital expansion... DO NOT PLUG IT INTO ANYTHING OR YOU WILL BLOW STUFF UP....Sorry for yelling...

This cable you will see its end leads are plugged into the submasters. Again, that is for future expansion for the digital card, so let it stay where it is....

Thanks a 1000 times for this quick answer!!!

You're Welcome!

meter bridge and pilot program power adapter installed today. flawless. (although i did plug the digital board cable into the bridge once by mistake- nothing blew up thank god) i use my board for mixdown mainly so from my apogees into the line ins on the desk = dancing lights. perfect

thanks to pmi for great support and the unbelievable discount as a pilot program owner

Greetings All!

I would love to see my Brand New Toft Meter Bridge Dance to the tune of the 'PRE' Line / Mic input channels. (although post 'Input gain knob is desirable) That is, anything plugged into these input jacks regardless of the lower fader positions.

I'm not interested in having it slave to the fader positions of the Line / Mic ins -as has been requested by other members.

Right now it only responds to whats going in the PRE MON inputs.

Any suggestions??

There is a mod showing how to do just what you want back a page or so.

O.K. Upon reviewing the past 3 or 4 pages, it seems the modifications posted are intended mostly for those who would like see the Meter Bridge do one of 2 things.

1) Mon Return (Signal Point of Entry) = Dancing Lights OR,
2) Channel Direct (Signal Point of Exit) = Dancing Lights

My Toft ATB Mixer / Meter Bridge is wired to Mon Return.


The modification suggested for Direct Out Metering (POST # 189: Jumper between Mon Input & Direct Output) Still does not allow ATB to Meter 'Line /Mic' PRE FADER. Nor from what I can tell, does POST #242.

In other words, on version 07, you know how the Meterbridge reacts regardless of the Mon Input attenuator knob. Well That's what I'm trying to get the MeterBridge to do with 'Line / Mic' audio inputs.

If there's a solution posted prior - please tell me cuz I can't find it!

So far the only way I can get this result, is by splitting the signal from outside audio source and sending it to BOTH Line In AND Mon return simultaneously. Keeping Mon return knob down and just using slider.
Then I can see the audio signals on MeterBridge before the fader.

Ideally, it would be nice if there was a way of re-soldering internally with the option to switch between these THREE options:

1) Mon Return (Signal Point of Entry) = Dancing Lights
2) Channel Direct (Signal Point of Exit) = Dancing Lights MeterBridge

....AND

3) LINE/ MIC - PRE FADER = Dancing Lights

Once again, If there's a solution already out there - please tell me.

well I just wanted to give you a review I already stated this in the beginning of this thread.

- I haven't really found any big change in my way of working because of this meter bridge. Of course I like the way the my desk dances when I mix but in terms of workflow I don't really find a big difference sorry.

- in regard to the line input not being read, I still don't understand what the problem is with that. Are you guys trying to record through the line inputs. Shouldn't you be trying to monitor your direct outputs in that case. Anyways I don't track through the Toft I just mix through it. I run the outputs from the lynx into the mon inputs. Then I press the up/rev and line input buttons and now those channel are on my faders.

well hope everyone finds a solution to there setups

-peace

The easy solution is to use a jumper from mon input to the channel insert send.

If you want it done internally, try the + meter wire to:
1)+ side of C32
2)dir out jack tip
3)+side of C30

(BTW, don't hold me to this as I haven't actually tried it)heh

Thanks TAVD!

Hopefully there's dancing lights @ the end of the 'direct IN' tunnel
-not sparks. stikestikestike


Cheers.

Pilot/early console owners: I discovered an issue with the 40 pin to 10 pin adapter. You need to flip pins 7 and 8, otherwise, it puts +17v on the aux 5 buss.tutt

O.K,,, I'm gonna try and run this by TOFT Audio Designs support crew.
If it's a no go, then the TOFT Meter Bridge goes back to the store.


Cheers.

dam i haven't used aux 5 yet so i cant confirm. how do you flip the pins?

Roll back one of the aux 5 levels on the group section. If you hear static and the group meter goes wonky, unplug the 10 pin cable from the meter bridge before something gets damaged.

Here's how I fixed mine. Disassemble the 10 pin cable connector. Separate wires 7, 8 from the ribbon cable and flip them 180 degrees. Reassemble the cable. I suggest talking to PMI before you do anything.

Hey guys, you do not have to flip the wires...while that will work, all you have to do is use an Exacto knife, separate wire 8 by splicing between 7 & 8, and 8 & 9. Then cut wire 8.

You can do what Tom did, but you only have to cut 8. So look at the 10 way connector. The wire that has the red stripe is #1, so just count wires from there to get to #8.

For anyone who has the Pilot Console and does not want to do this, call us and we will send you a new cable.

Yeah, the easiest solution is to cut wire 8. It'll keep you from damaging the connector. I didn't like the thought of having an unterminated +17vdc wire floating around and flipping the two wires keeps things consistent with the schematic. Besides, I like to do things the hard way. heh

Is there a list of ALL the revs PMI has incorporated into Rev 2.1 ? I went to their site and found the page describing enhancements for snap-in pots, improved structural support, multi-colored solo lighting and improved monitoring. I know in a thread a while back there were requests for fader improvements. I don't know if Rev 2.1 addresses that feedback. Hopefully Alan Hyatt may be able to provide a succinct list of all Rev 2.1 improvements. I have been interested in this board for a while but definitely sitting on the sidelines for the product-line to mature. Glad to see PMI has been continually improving.

Best,

Tim Cochran

1. Supported pots for added strength and side movement support.
2. Metal standoffs to support module strength
3. Support crossbars tied to the module and standoffs for added strength
4. Line up support to ensure all modules are perfectly straight and aligned to the top panel and rear panels
5. Balanced Direct Outputs
6. Balanced speaker outputs
7. Additional solo monitoring on each channel from the new bi color mute LED. Led turns green when solo, and stays red for mute
8. Meter bridge wire harness installed including mounting T-nuts and screws installed on the wood side panels for mounting support brackets for meter bridge

That is about it for now...

Alan, thanks for the prompt reply !

Hey all. I have been talking with a tech a PMI and I am about to move forward with a mod that will make the meterbridge fire up at all times (with all signals). I plan on either taking pictures or shooting some video in order to help out anybody who is interested in having a meterbridge that works all the time.

The mod involves pulling out all the channels individually and soldering a jumper from the + leg of the meterbridge hookup to the - leg of CAP 30. Besides this jumper the trace from the meterbridge connector needs to be cut.

I apologize in advance if this info has been repeated. I didn't have time to read all 10 pages here, just about 3 of them.

Hey Simon... Its Jim... Welcome to Gearslutz..
Looks like you pulled the trigger on Toft.. Did you ditch the Soundcraft Ghost?

A video would be great!

What would be the benefit of this over grabbing the feed from the dir. out as per the early console?

I still believe that the best solution is to replace a pot (like the Mon. Return) with a push/pull variety so input/output metering would be selectable. That part has so far been impossible to source. A minor complication, I admit. heh

Ok - so I understand that different versions of the ATB don't have this problem. I got mine fairly recently, and the meterbridge ONLY measures the MON level (the rotary fader). When the board is in mix mode, the meter bridge didn't fire. I spoke with a tech at PMI and he designed this fix for me. I tried to shoot video, but it didn't come out well. Sorry. There is really only 3 steps in the process, - here is the explanation:

Toft has PDF files on how to disassemble the ATB, so I followed them to get into the board. That involved taking the ATB and placing it on it's face, removing screws & the bottom plate, disconnecting the ribbon cables & meter cables - then flipping the board back on it's ass.

Once the board was right side up, I removed more screws to take out the first section of 8.

I was instructed to remove each channel individually to perform the operation. I will tell you freely, I would never wish that task on my worst enemy. Taking off and replacing the knobs and the nuts of every single pot on a 8 channel section was the single most tedious task I have ever taken on. Not to mention the nuts were flaky going back on and embarassingly enough one of them stripped and I damaged a pot trying to get it off. Now my EQ on channel 1 (made the mistake on the first one!) doesn't work; I will see tommorrow how expensive of a mistake that was. I figured after the first 8 channels were modded and reassembled, that I could finish up the other sections without taking each individual channel out. I did so successfully and with great ease. It took me the same amount of time to do channels 9-24 as it did to do 1-8

So, back to the task. As you can see in Fig 1, the first order of business in the mod was to cut the chase from the + leg of the meter feed with a box cutter. I scored it carefully then dug in on the next pass.

After cutting this chase, I used a multi-tester to make sure the connection was dead. The testing points were the + meter feed (connector) and R118 (better double check that - you can follow the chase).

Then I took a tinned 8" stranded copper wire and soldered it to the + leg of the meter feed and the - leg of C30. I did this on the back of the channel card. The - leg of C30 is not labeled, but the + is.

I did this to all 32 channels on the board and put everything back together. I used the ATB yesterday in a session and was able to see all my levels during tracking an mixdown, so the mod worked.

Cool, well that looks pretty straight forward. A question though: Are you using the earlier version or the 2.1?

Well done on the mod - and it sounds like it was *much* easier modding the channel cards in place!

Meanwhile, I'm curious to know what signal is now routed to the meters. I assume it is a tap off the post-fader channel output? You say you are seeing "all levels", but I'm guessing you mean it now ignores the monitor return signal and displays the level of whatever passes through the main channel signal path (whether from mic, line or mix-mode input). Does that match what you're now seeing?

C30 on mine is for insert return buffer decoupling. That's going to be pre-fade, so it's not going to be a popular mod. Of course, C30 in the v.2 console might not coincide with earlier versions, which I think is the case since there is no R118 on my schematic.

Yes you are correct on many counts. It also reads any gain changes made in the insert path.

To address other questions / comments:

My ATB is a version 2.1. These 2.1's are set up to meter the Mon fader levels. This change was made because of all the feedback Toft received from the cats using the board for summing. They outweighed the folks like me using it for mixing.

Shout out to Jim C. - I read the review of the ATB in tape op and the reviewer was talking about switching from the Ghost to the ATB. It was like a message from above. I ordered the ATB and put the Ghost up for sale. The Ghost sold well before the ATB arrived...

Hey Simon.. Glad you are diggin the Toft. Talk to you soon..

Jim