Anyone test any of the new variants of this mic? Curious about the Wunder 12 S , the Upton C12, the Flea C12 , a new capsule they mentioned? Tele USA C12. Not interested in the C12 VR. Any users of these want to chime in? Or inform ? Any capsule specifics that one should be aware of? Thank you

Man, I'd love to hear some insight on this as well. I would love to hear some clips of any of these mics on acoustic guitar or vocals. I love C12s, but there aren't many clips of the high end clones. I also think I am kind of picky with these things. A lot of the high end clones use their own capsule. Don't know why there aren't ones that just use a Tim Campbell CT12 with a Moby transformer or something. That combo might be the best chance at replicating the magic of the originals.

In the thread about the Beesneez "reinvention" there is a good deal of information about their new mics and some other offerings.

Yes, thank you. I have two of the BN 251’s. Excellent mics. I’m wondering about a different capsule variation and manufacturer, perhaps a different sound quality that would still be in the frequency spectrum and well manufactured. Not interested in a C12A.

Yes, I heard good things about, I think a newer one of Tim’s capsules in the Flea C12 so I just purchased a new one. I guess we will find out when it gets here. Thanks

That's wise. We had one and I hated it. Though for one particular singer no other mic could ever beat it -- perfect for her. For everyone else, meh.

Yes I agree, some mic's are just the right mic. This C12 journey will be fun!

While I haven't used one, I have heard from people I trust that the Tim Campbell CK12s are excellent and the closest one can get to the real thing.
I would very much like to get my hands on one but supplies are limited and take quite a while to get.

I would suggest to try a sm204 from Andreas Grosser, much more ballsy and fantastic overall

Can you buy them new? My journey is going to be with newly manufactured products. Thank you for your suggestion.

Yes they can build them, obviously not made by Andreas but his team.
I have one used, like new, from a friend.

Great, thank you. Do they have a website, how can you order from them?

Via their instagram I think, voxorama official

Thank you very much.

I'm in Burbank if you want to check out the Upton C12 some evening.

I have no experience with a vintage one, nor any of the other models mentioned.

[QUOTE=Kronos147;17369562]I'm in Burbank if you want to check out the Upton C12 some evening.

I have no experience with a vintage one,

Thanks, I’m going to wait till the Flea C12 gets here, I may take you up on that.
Thanks again, I’ll keep you posted,

Have a pair of Flea 12’s for the last 13 years and they’re work horses. Look up Boulevard Recording and our lineage. They’re all over anything that’s been released that we’ve done since 2012

I have sort of a conspiracy theory that the Upton C12 doesn't actually exist. I've never seen one or heard one. I've only seen them for sale online. If I try to contact Upton about it, they don't respond, no one has ever posted any clips. I think it might just be a myth at this point

Thank you good to hear. We have a certain dealer here in LA that would get products in and open the boxes, most likely to use what came in , on their own projects, dropping or using them incorrectly ,then pass them around for demos. Not good quality representation of their products. I personally caught them and stated not to touch boxes until I picked them up. Personally caught them re-taping boxes. At that point, would only have items delivered straight from the manufacturer. Lot of bad Flea and Tele USA mics floating around as demos here. Thank you for your information. My new Flea should be in this week.

Received the new C12 with their new capsule. Also very good. I have been so lucky with microphones lately, think I'll go to Vegas this weekend!

Very nice, congrats on the new mic!

Any update on this mic? How do you like it?

My Peluso P12 has been a useful tool for capturing post war D28 guitar leads that tend to be bottom end heavy in Bluegrass captures. I also deploy for various performers a P67, 2247SE & P28 from Peluso. I prefer my Flea47 next for the single mic capture of my live guitar/vocal gigs. My AT4060 with a mullard NOS tube is generally my go to for female singers live performance.

Most all tube mics have specific "color" atributes that will fit some applications better than others. This is the reason most of us, in the tube mic user fraternity, have several of them in our lockers. Given the circumspect detailed transparency we can deliver with todays digital processing, I love the tube/transformer color my tube mics provide for our live performances.
Hugh

Congrats!
Whose capsule are they using now?

And in other opinions . . . what is the closest to OG C12 clone being made these days, please?

Upton, T-Funk USA, Flea, Beesneez, others?

I think Flea uses their own capsule now, but don't quote me.

I wish someone would do an acoustic guitar or vocal comparison between the mics you mentioned. I have literally never hear the Upton C12, but it seems to be pretty accurate, plus I love their 251.

I feel like if you want one as close as possible to original youd have to get something custom. Closest to vintage would probably be a Flea mic body/hardware, Campbell capsule, NOS tube, Haufe or Moby transformer. I wonder if there are boutique builder that put together mics like this.

I don’t know if BSA are still doing their C12 and RS-2 models..
you could have have them with different capsules, I liked the Haun capsule the best.. to my ears was the closest to some vintage C12’s I’ve heard/used.

The siemens SM204 mod for their C12 is the one you want to buy.

howdy

Cheu

They make their own capsule. But Tim designed it and helped make the setup for building them...etc.
Source: Tim himself on an other forum.

Anyway, what you describe is a flea 12 btw. You can swap the transformer for a moby t14, put a nos 6072 if you like, and even change the coupling cap for a nos pio if you're really crazy (that what I did with my own diy c12 except ami transformer and opr capsule).
But at the end not a night and day difference.

Hi sorry for not getting back sooner. I went to the Masters to watch a little golf and get over to Nashville to test the mics I had in question.

We all know the originals are hard to beat. My goal was to find a company making the mics at this time and staying at the upper level, not the less expensive entry level microphones.

We also know the capsule, tube and transformer all make up the character of the microphone.

I was looking for the C12 to capture that certain range of frequencies a C12 was designed to do. Strings in a large haul, closer set up to acoustic instruments and even that one right vocal.

The new capsule was a design from Tim and Flea. This is the one used in their Sieman 204 I believe. Now my take may not be exactly what you're looking for. I'm not as interested in the frequency graph, as I am in the microphone bringing me into the recording.

All the mics are very good, you can't go wrong with Upton, Wunder, Tele USA, . I chose the FLEA . I have Ben's 251's which will allow me to reach a little lower. David's 251's with the Haun capsules, plus the Older Tele USA with the AC 701 and my originals. I also discovered in my testing the Neuman 49V. I purchased one after testing. I will purchase another FLEA C12 and 49V for the microphones that are new and available at this time, and very functional for getting excellent results.

Original AKG made C12s and 251s?
If so, I'm curious your opinion of the texture of the top end of the Flea 12 compared to the the AKGs.

Yes , I believe Konrad Wolf, and a couple of Siemens engineers did the capsule, sorry I can't recall their names.

Have original 251. We tested original C12's Don't know if they had V2148 out put transformers or the T14. Not sure if they changed capsules or tubes. They had the S12 and N12 power supply though. They were very good and well kept microphones. However they would have been in the $30,000.00 price range to purchase.

Yes liked the top end, was excellent, cymbals, violin with upper register with shrills, staccato. AC gtr. Even without thumb picking, side of pick, tip of pick with an acoustic is always distracting to me, but it even handles that nicely.

I believe it depends on what environment you are using the mic in. If you have a classical violinist with an expensive instrument and their life dedicated to it, the Flea C12 worked for me. However if you you're using a lap top with an inexpensive pre and converter in your bed room it might not be the mic for you. I remember guys using the C12 on bass cabinets decades ago. To me this Flea with the new capsule, tube and transformer is excellent.

I believe all mics should be tested in your own environment. Not listen to samples or through other peoples converters and rooms.