The Pulse 2 may well be able to pull off more deep bass, dunno, like I said, the Grandmother can sound bigger than the Minitaur, because it's more woolly/fat in an old-school kind of way. The 'taur is tighter, more like the Sub-line, indeed. So, it all depends upon what you need and prefer.

The above comparison video didn't make me want to swap for the Pulse 2, though, for euphonic reasons. If I needed a full octave range synth it would be better from a utilitarian pov., however.

I do find the Grandmother excels at bass. It hits really deep, a little more than I remember the Minitaur going. I have a love/hate relationship with modern Moog in general, a bit too dull for me but you can’t dispute that they are amazing for bass.

What about the Minitaur and workflow/footprint. Surely it’s a lot of synth in relation to the space it takes?

Is it a breeze to hook it up to another synth with keys in order to play it, while also having it connected to a DAW for MIDI?

For example, if I want to use this as a bass module together with the Moog One and a laptop with Ableton, would that be simple and straightforward, plug and play, set and forget etc or would I have to expect doing some routing or setting preferences every time I start it all up?

Anyone using the Minitaur that way?

Those who are saying that the Minitaur sounds weak must be listening to it through their phone, or a bad sound system. I use the Minitaur (along with other synths/bass guitar) for bass and you have to be a little careful with it or you can damage your speakers. I personally think it’s awesome. My only gripe is that it needs a screen so that you can see which preset you’re on.

I don’t need a Boog, I already own a Moog Minimoog Model D.

I’ve used many many synths for bass over the years - so I’m not the one worried about looking foolish for making uninformed comments.

My guess is that you’ve never even tried a Minitaur before. Most who have used one for any period of time would know that it had presets. If someone is only able to get a “weak” sound out of one, then that’s user error and not a fault of the machine.

The Pulse has no CV inputs best I can tell, while the Minitaur has 3 CV inputs and a gate that puts it into semi-modular territory.

I use multiple analog sequencers on most days and having the Minitaur in sync with my other CV gear is simply another type of work flow that makes it a breed apart for what my sequencing goals are.

A good example of that is drones, very easily accomplished over CV on the Minitaur as shown on my YouTube channel track Turtles and Rainbows.

Any mono synth without CV inputs is off my radar. That is why I skipped the Vermona 14.

I use a simple MIDI Mouse for saving/scrolling through presets. Not really that complicated.

I use my Minitaur CV’d to an Elektron Analog Four. Works perfectly.

Analog synths without using CV is like gluten free bread - I fail to see the point. That's how all the 70's bands did sequencing and with midi you lose a lot.

I mostly read sheet music and learn tracks by ear for inspiration, on that track it was merely an intro and that's supposed to grab attention which a drone is good at.

Keep talking in absolutes and that cuts off a large part of what analog synths are good at.

It's really not worth arguing with MKS Lover/Synth Warrior/Pet Shop Boy. He is just trying to get a rise out of you, and reason will not prevail. It's a shame watching threads go off the rails in the same manner, from the same people, over and over.

You seem to know more than I do about the subject which likely influenced your choice of words. Vince Clarke has many fans but I am not one of them ... you missed the "70's" part of my quote.

The best synth ever made imho - for bass or anything else - was arguably the ARP 2600. CV is the entire point, as well as sequencing it.

Without any doubt, the best effects series in analog history were the Moogerfooger collection and if you ignore all those CV inputs that control every knob in the series then you might as well sell it.

Here's a book for you. The synth and this book was made to teach synthesis and I doubt more than a few in forum couldn't learn something from it. CV is mandatory.

https://www.samecoff.com/wp-content/...-2600-book.pdf

I had a Behringer Model D for a while and the Minitaur sounds way bigger and fatter to my ears.

And a "booming" bass isn't something you would normally want in your mix.

Or we can read his own words instead - he knows he can use MIDI now but doesn't:

When asked why he continues to use CV/Gate connections to control his hardware, as opposed to MIDI, Clarke explains that “in the beginning [of his career], I didn’t enjoy working with MIDI. It was very convenient, obviously, but I had problems with the timing.”

Now a user of Apple’s Logic Pro, Clarke says that the connection protocol no longer makes a difference. “Once I record something, it doesn’t matter if I record it via MIDI or using CV/gate. The reason I use CV/gate is because most of the synths here use CV/gate." [emphasis added].

July 23, 2022

https://musictech.com/news/gear/vinc...ctronic-music/

well, now I really have no excuse not to buy a (Behringer) 2600, and master what CV can do ... thanks

I went the other way. I bought and sold the Minitaur three times. Not because it was bad, but because I didn't like that it had hidden features and I don't like presets on monos. It did sound very good which is why I kept trying to justify it. That being said, I think the bass on the Boog D sounds better (your taste may differ). Maybe it's because it sounds more vintage or it's the third oscillator, or both.

I too bought the Minitaur twice and returned both units. The first time I thought, "I'm so hung up on all the fiddly "hidden parameters," and the lack of a display of some sort, and the fact that I would need to use Moog's Minitaur software editor to really get the most out of the synth that I'm overlooking the most important quality of the Minitaur" the sound of its bass.

So I stupidly bought another Minitar and hought, "I'm not going to let all of these silly limitations keep me from creating solid bass sounds that can be swept via the great sounding filter.

But while the filter sounds quite good, the Minitaur's core synth engine is so limited that it's very difficult to get a good bass sound out of it. It really needs a sub oscillator, a second LFO, Pulse Width Modulation, pre- and post-filter drive circuits, full ADSR envelopes on the front panel, and most importantly a small OLED screen for naming and saving patches on the unit itself. Oh, and Moog should quadruple the number of user editable onboard patches from 128 to 512.

The Minitaur really should have been a 3U tabletop/rack module that would provide enough front panel real estate to expose all of its hidden functions and to include a proper display. Because the current little hunk of metal is just stupidly small given all its available parameters.

For anyone looking for a great Moog bass sound, check out the Subsequent 25. It's everything the Minitaur should have been. If Moog would just remove the keyboard on the Subsequent 25, include a proper screen, and shrink down the unit to a 3U rack size, it would give Studio Electronics and their SE-1X and SE-3X some real competition.