one of our fellow GS knuckleheads made a comment in the Deadmau5 thread regarding ppl looking for 'depth' in dance music.. I got the impression that he almost seemed surprised by this...

if anybody thinks that Deadmau5 or Axwell are the pinnacle of dance music, you are sadly fukin mistaking.

anyone who judges any scene/genre by checking out the names that happen to be banded around the most is usually doing themselves a disservice.

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assplosion of thread barf.

I'm still a bit confused by the statement... so dance music can't be serious? Or deep?

I've got thick skin mate.. my feelings weren't hurt.
You made an asinine response in that other thread, so I commented on it.

Why can't it be deep as well as all those things that make a good club song a good club song?

dance music without depth doesn't do it for me, of course my definition of depth when in a club can be different to when i'm at home or out and about plugged into my music player.

Its really a subjective and pointless argument. Some people like chocolate icecream, some like vanilla. Then there are others who like cake.

I suggest you 2 go for icecream cones together and when you are done, hug it out! heh

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I find this deep...

it's weird .. but it wasn't til later when I really understood 91' hardcore .. even happy hardcore

all music is serious.
or should be IMO..

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It's pretty typical that when people first discover house music & clubbing, they are going to like the more direct/in your face stuff with huge build-ups etc (Deadmouse & Swedish Mafia), then, if you stick with it, over the years your tastes change, you come to appreciate more subtlety, you then find you cannot bare to hear the stuff that you used to think was great.

^^^ I think this is a very common scenario.

Of course, some people just go straight into the deeper stuff & stay there, some people never get beyond the pop sound.

That's fine... different people have different tastes.

Another important factor is that stuff like Deadmouse & any popular mainstream music is very much of its time (well, I actually think this specific style of house already sounds WAY dated; circa ~7 years ago stylistically.); the production techniques used are very much fashionable tricks, that in a few years time will sound horrifically out of mode & corny... so people's taste will naturally move away from that sound.


Take for example these two track, both from 2003 as an example:









.... The first one was a big hit at the time, pushed by Hed-Kandi, it probably sold a decent amount of records.
But you listen to it now & the production sounds pretty dated... because it used techniques that where fashionable in the mainstream at the time; Massive off beat hi-hats, snare rolls etc.


... Whereas the second track, from the same time, probably only sold a handful of records... But sounds every bit as good today as it did back then... it doesn't use any fashionable techniques.
This record is essentially timeless, and will still sound great in 100 years.


The big difference is that the first one is a pretty disposable track, made for a mainstream audience, whereas the second one is a deep track, made for the love of music.

Some prefer one, some prefer the other.

when i think of deep i usually think of porn

Yes it can... on many aspects (musically, artistically, aesthetically).

For example the bolero from Ravel (yeah it's dance music although not electronic).

But usually it isn't. Why? Well for the same reason Mc Donalds is the most successful restaurant of all times. A lot of the people simply don't care, or do not have the means to appreciate more refined expression forms.

Omar S is the man! thumbsup

Classic Detroit & NY house sounds are the only ones I consider "deep" ...producers don't always need to be from there, just saying that kinda sound/style is really nice.

It's all really subjective but there is a lot of music that is really technical and well produced but lacking creativity and emotional expression. In all styles.

Well, this is stupid.

Why? Because if you had visited the right house session nights and techno events you would know what deep really is. Much deeper than most pop music. So your McDonalds is not the dance music which I know and love.

BTW Ravel almost regretted to have composed Bolero, because it's so mainstream and everybody asked for it, whereas he would have liked it to have success with other works much more. It's pop music.

No offense man but the second track is just a bootleg (YouTube - Set it out (12" Mix) - Midway) and not a very good one at that. The Retroit thing is just as fashionable right now as deadmau5. In 2003 not many people wanted to hear a 909, now they are everywhere. If you were deep in Omar S 7 years ago good for you, but most of the people who are into him today were not then, which is why he is more popular now than ever.

"some people don't understand house music. It's a spiritual thing, a soul thing, a body thing."

Perhaps it is, if it worked that way for you:

What I don't like about it is that it implies that one is better then the other. That SHM is some sort of cheap candy to lure people into "better" stuff. Who defines better? You? Me? And why? Because one of us says so? One mans deep as another mans boring. One mans bad is another mans epic. I don't think any man is more right or wrong in any of those scenarios.

Let's just leave it at chocolate, vanilla and cake...

"I don't know what it does to me but it's taking me higher than I've ever been, let it take control of your mind and senses, feel the fire ecstasy ecstasy ecstasy."

2 the rythm - sound factory

Who knew it was all about drugs? I didn't when I was 15.

"do i really feel the way i feel"

funniest sh*t ever.

The second track is timeless? good grief... is that even considered dance music? what type of club plays this? I can envision ppl standing around in strict dress codes sipping martinis... I can't picture it storming the dancefloors of Twilo (RIP) back in the day.

This track is dedicated to a big PA, like they have at Berghain, Function One System. I think this was one of the deepest tracks from last year, it's produced by Shed from Ostgut Ton, he's from Berlin, center of techno and house music at the moment.

I don't want to say, that I hate Deadmau5, but I think he's simply unimportant in the "real" techno and house scene. He never ever appeared on any playlist of the biggest techno and house DJs, let's say these are Ricardo Villalobos, Svent Väth, Richie Hawtin, Luciano, Laurent Garnier, Loco Dice or Radioslave. If he would appear on a setlist of these guys..people would laugh..but why?

I'm in the techno scene since 1993, at the beginning there was some stuff that we could compare to Dedmau5 sound, for example progressive house and trance, stuff I listend at these times:





Of course Dedmau5 is much better produced in a technical sense and his sound is new, not from 1995. But I simply don't like it, it's too obvious, I already know all his transitions etc. It's the same thing with Justice, as they appeared I already knew all their edits from Daft Punk. I don't want to blame these guys, when I'm drunk and hit the dance floor, I can have the perfect party all nite long, but I can also have party to the Village People or ACDC.

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This is going to be really useful for any of our extraterrestrial slutz who might decide to drop in ..thanks for representing planet earth Mike

LOL, you nailed the absurdity of this thread.

I mean, is the thread about 'depth' or another one about whether X musician is best in the world or not?

I vote YES to closing this thread immediatly, but would not frown upon a new one about 'depth' in dance music. Please not another one about Deadmaus.

Please quote me:

VOTE: Close the thread

Sorry, but if you want depth in dance music the modern stuff just doesn't cut it.

This is deep:


and this.



But would anyone expect any person under 35 to know about depth in music anyway?