no loop start and end points? and no toggle?

only way to get a loop going without having to hold the pad down (seriously?) is open all the envelopes but it still fades out after xx seconds? seriously?

and, if doing that ^^ you have to go and switch it back to one shot just to get the loop to stop playing?

follow up: hold on a sec..

MPC Standalone | How To Loop Your Sample

ok so i guess it can be done by opening up the envelopes and using loop lock, and using another pad in the same mute group to turn off the loop

it will still fade out after 30 seconds otherwise but for quick chops it's doable. super tedious and unnecessary though

what an extreme oversight, which on the forums goes back many years also it seems

Apart from that what are your first impressions? 😜

On MPC OS 2, you can toggle samples with clip programs. AKAI removed clip programs in OS 3. There is some kind of work around with the new advanced keygroup program, it's tedious to setup but it's possible, look it up on the internet.

I really don't like when vendors remove functions from hardware devices, but it is what it is.

ngl it bangs harder than the sp and the pads and pad velocity expression is much nicer. my first beat on it was better than expected and i have still yet to use the arranger or do any midi editing

found out the included baseline plug in cannot be tuned but i will be using a mo' phatt rack and midi keyboard and record audio into the mpc. also have an ensoniq mirage rack

i like how it goes into the sp and the sp digitally to the computer, and the sp also becomes a sound card and effects processor

good to know thanks

If you’re talking about loops rather than keygroups it’s better to set them as one shots and use midi events to re trigger them,
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how do you generally use looping on your other samplers? in the classic SP-202/303 fashion? like you don't usually use the sequencer but manually play the loops against each other, or what?

i just made something on the sp from two parts of a song where the music and drums are in the same sample

each part starts and then part way through loops. i play them live and the timing is so exquisite even in the sp the only way to lay down the beat was to play live while recording audio to daw, then find the part where the timing was perfect and loop it without grid/quantize in the daw

trying to do this with a midi sequencer would be a no go. plus, i can see why this has been an issue with akai for so many years you can't even get a loop going without having to keep your finger on the pad which is bizarre

so when these situations do come up i can do the same thing by fiddling with the envelopes and note on and then record into daw (via sp usb out)

it is really frustrating compared to how it 'should' be like the sp and many other samplers btw going back in time

cool, there's so many ways to use them and i rarely do. i had a Casio FZ years ago, which had all sorts of looping options, and wish i had explored it more. unfortunately when i owned all those cool samplers i wasn't into sampling much more than drum sounds.

one thing that i find so useful in Ableton is setting the loop brackets so that the sample start point is in between. you can come up with all sorts of stuff that wouldn't be possible without the sample wrapping back around to the start naturally. (not sure if i'm explaining it right.) most samplers (hardware and software) require the loop to start at or after the start point, which won't allow for this.

somewhat related to your point is that i often find myself coming up with stuff that sounds so tight just triggering loops/sounds by hand, but like you said, trying to sequence it to sound the same is more work than i'd think it would be. i've always been aware of it, but i wish i had spent more time thinking linear (just recording what sounds right and stitching it together along a timeline) and not locked to a clock/tempo.

the ableton looping does sound interesting. i have been thinking of trying ableton after only recently discovering that acid 7 can be set to snap to events and loop points instead of the grid. been following a few producers like nick craven and finn who use ableton and always wondered about it

yes been doing the arrange by sample start end/looping by ear off and on in the daw since forever but for me it always gets away from me, i go back and realize i need to drag an entire section of the song a few pixels over and after that i lose the bearings

but, if i can insert fine tuned tempo changes in an mpc arrangement it should be ok since then i can sequence each part and get it looping and then put it together

i think there needs to be a feature in the mpc and daws in general or maybe there is, where you can lock the original tempo of a selected midi track, then you can change the master tempo until the passage you want to loop or sync lines up with it

what i'm talking about is actually part of the Clip warping/looping, and not the looping functions of Ableton Sampler/Simpler (which are about as vanilla as you'd expect).

it's really simple, you can just drop a whole song into a Clip and set the playback/loop brackets. the start point can be set anywhere in between and it'll loop around within the brackets. you can find some really natural loops that you wouldn't be able to by traditional looping methods (with the loop points always *after* the start point of the sample).

not sure what else can do this, but this blew my mind when i first started with Ableton (it works with MIDI clips too). when i got into chopping old tunes i realized how useful it was for this type of sampling:

Not sure if you figured it out by now, but what you’re describing can be done on the MPC. Set your parameters how you want them (single or legato) The length of the sample being played is all on how you chop your sample. You can press the pad (one time) and the sample will play until it’s stopping point (based on your chop). I’ve never known any MPC (sine the 2000XL) that’s not capable of doing this. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying.

ASR10 can do this too, a very cool feature indeed when working with music samples.

def going to check this out thank you


it won't loop like that though, you have to hold the pad down for it to loop, otherwise you have to manually open the adsr envelopes and set the notes to one shot and also set a note to cut off the loop because there is no way to turn off the loop otherwise

nice to know thank you, ensoniq is goat

MPCs seem to be like Roland's SPs in that they have a pretty particular workflow; with the older models I was always surprised to hear that they seemed to be missing basic stuff like LFOs and filters, but people still seem to get great results out of them.
Those workarounds for looping a sample sound bizarre NGL; this weekend I updated the firmware on my MicroFreak and even that thing(!) has definable sample start/end/loop points now.

Mpc has LFOs and filters.But not sure if in present Os 3 that the LFOs can be free flowing at all.The previous version of OS could be free flowing if used with a drum kit programme but only with amp,filter,pan ect.Blows my mind how this is not developed like the 4000.

It’s user error. I can do what your talking about on my MPC without any problems.

oh, ffs i just realized that Ableton's 'Sampler' (but not 'Simpler') can do this as well. i've been using Ableton since v5 (i think i got Suite at v7), not sure if these options were there all along or not. i actually rarely use 'Sampler', i've always had 'Morgana' or 'TAL Sampler', etc

the sample start point can be linked to the loop start or completely independent from the loop (which sounds like how you're using looping). i also just realized how awesome the loop crossfade function is for chopping up songs, wow.



really though, i don't think there's any way to "latch" it. totally drawing a blank on that.




EDIT: omfg... i forgot that 'TAL Sampler' has independent start/end and loop points as well.

an "SP" refers to a Emu SP1200.

You are referring to a "404".