Yes. Especially with Geert Bevin there as he was instrumental in development of MPE spec. But I think it will be awhile as they have other fish to fry that matter to more users. Like the low tuning with certain voices still being wonky.

Just you wait...

What do you know. Spill the beans

Heh I just meant that the Quantum is FUN. (not saying the One isn't, just based off the synths I own or have previously owned, the Q is fun.) And although, as some have mentioned, the Quantum does offer incredibly powerful and complex modulation and synthesis options, the GUI and general interface are just so well thought-out that you can program a deep, evolving patch simply by using the intuitive screen and physical controls with very little prior (Quantum) experience. Its design is just that good.

Fun to program, fun to play. It is the rabbit-holiest of all modern polys IMHO. Hours will fly by, then days, until you suddenly snap out of it and realize you haven't gone to the bathroom in 24 hours.

Just my $.02

PS: I own a Quantum and have played a One. IMHO they complement each other very well, being almost polar opposites in many respects, and yet very similar in others. It's a bit like comparing extremely expensive, shiny, rectangular apples and oranges.

From different galaxies.

Fun isnt it? I've not got the One but I've done the same thing with other synths (Quantum with 2 layers + PolyAT, Analog Four MK2 with 4 layers).

To be honest even though it is fun and hints at the potential of full MPE support, sometimes I almost regret doing it because I am left with the feeling that I am teasing myself with no clear idea of if/when that itch will be properly scratched!

I’ve got both the One and the Quantum and I can attest that you won’t want much of anything after those two, except maybe a Montage for pure piano polyphony or something... which I also have. I sold all my DSI and half my modular to finance the trilogy of synthesizers I have now. Sonic heaven.

Bass on the Moog ONE? Here's a Tutorial I've done, which is Part 1 with the Ladder Filter.

I had the same problem with creaking keys in the lower end of the keyboard. I gave it a few months and mailed Moog, they sent out a replacement keyboard after I told them I was okay with swapping it myself (the instructions are very simple). I need to find time to do the swap, but they definitely made it easy with no questions asked.

Heya guys and gals - Haven't posted in a LONG time and haven't even had time to lurk for about the last 8 months. :(

Anyhow that's a story for a different thread.

So this week, I was given an M1/16 as an over-the-hill birthday gift and just set it up a couple hours ago.

This thing is such a paradox - There are things that it does so much better than any synth on the planet in terms of interface and immediate accessibility to performance controls, live play and DEEP editing - love the XP pad.

But - I strip the effects away and go to town with its immense programmability, and I can't find its soul.

If I were a professional performer, I would want one of these and a JV1080, and I could cover anything.

Problem is, I don't see the M1 ever becoming a professional instrument that you will see on stage - cost aside, this thing weighs a ton and, while not fragile at all, it just doesn't come across as a synth that would look good with battle scars on it.

Anyhow, it's the sound designer's dream- if you also happen to be a software developer, you'll like it even more.

If sound quality is important to your though - This synth doesn't do IT for me -

I know it's subjective, but that's how I feel.

If I'd not received it as a gift, and as such, something that will be with me for life, I would probably be less *objective* about it.

I still like it a lot though.

HAGWE!

Greg

Oh, and sorry for the edit, but I just wanted to elaborate on my "subjective" comment above.

I totally accept that the majority of reasons why I prefer early '80s VCO synths is because that's my generation, and that's what I identify with.

The Moog One sounds very modern, which I'm not, so I acknowledge that this synth wasn't targeted at me -but- have learned to appreciate "modern" analog synth *sound* in the last couple of hours.

I think there's something there.

LOL

OK - I'm 2 more hours into the M1, and I'm really starting to love it. While the sound is new to me, I've been able to make very satisfying music with it.

Greg, I understand what you are saying, for me I find that the factory presets were it’s achilles heel. I actually felt they undersold what it could really sound like. Many of the presets were throwing multiple layers and FX because you can rather than because it makes the sound better. I slowly rebuilt my own set of presets based on sounds I want and the Moog delivered! Now if I want a pad or a string/brass I have my core presets I select and then program to taste. The wonderful thing about the Moog is it’s modulation capabilities supported by its great UI. I went for the Moog rather than modular and glad I did.

Keep turning those knobs!

Ian

Happy Birthday, some things to try:

1. Create new user space (all presets erased- most of them suck)

2. Jam with the sequencer in real-time. Use a sequencer or arp on all layers with 3 separate patches - one of the layers can be a lead so you can solo in real time

3. Use the inserts for some analog pedals (wonky to set up but worth it)

4. Hit the effects button - make sure they are turned off (most of the time)


Whatever you do:

1. Don’t plug a mic into it the uselessness of that might make you sad

Push it as far as you can use all the oscillators all the modulation and movement as you can this synth really needs to be pushed to the edges - much better use of time than “trying to sound like the 70s” I tried that you need to put that out of your mind and try something new

Enjoy !

Try the usual modulation techniques to "vintagize" that modern sound.
60Hz triangle to VCO pitch at tiny, but slightly different amounts per VCO.
0.1Hz sample and glide to VCO pitch.
Same to filter frequency.
Stopped keysynced random LFO to parameters like filter frequency and envelope times.
Save as INIT to not have to do that ever again.

Works in digital and in DSI REV2, should work in MO too.

While I've made a Bank fo Patches for it and could be seen as being biased, I have to say it's hands down the best Synth I've ever bought. The interface is just a delight to use, especially when you make lots of Sounds and should win an award just for that. I personally love FX but this is one of the only Synths I've made patches when i've not used, even a tiny amount of Chorus on some of them. The Pads, Brass and Poly Sounds just sound great on their own, dry...and that's not anything against the FX, sure they can be a bit noisy, but it just doesn't need it on some sounds...that's a first for me.

The real USP though for me is having those 2 Filters, love them.

Wait a minute. You're saying that the freaking keys aren't supposed to creak?!

I've been thinking all along that my creaking keys were just something I needed to get used to... I'm going to contact support if this is something that can be resolved. I can't stand the creaking. How did your interaction with Moog go?

Normally creaking keys on a well-used synth are due to lubrication drying out. The reports of the creaky keys on the One and the Quantum suggest either a problem at Fatar, or it's simply a result of the stresses of a heavy synth being shipped.

These are supposed to be Fatar's top keyboards, though, so it's a bit concerning, as they have had creaky keys problems in the past.

I tried to get used to it but couldn't (especially with the price tag in mind). It's a drag to play a chord and be in the moment, and then hear creeeeeeaaak. It wasn't super loud, but just loud enough to be distracting to me.

Moog support was great, although it seems to take awhile to get replies. At first they were offering to swap the entire synth. When I pinged them later they offered just swapping the keyboard if I was comfortable doing it myself. I agreed, it showed up within a week. Nice and simple (assuming the new keyboard doesn't have issues too).

I've already went through 2 replacements so I would also prefer to just swap out the keyboard since the rest of the synth is functioning flawlessly at the moment (minus the keyboard).

I so want an electroluminescent panel upgrade.

I sent a video of the creaking on my keyboard to Moog and it seems in my case, these noises are normal. Have you tested the new keyboard to see how it’s behaving? I’d be interested to hear how bad your creaking is. As far as I know, no other keyboards I owned had this issue.

Mine creaked too, but over the last month or do with some serious playing it’s fine. Actually I’m not a fan of the black keys, I dislike the slight texture, I know lots like that but as a pianist it rankles because I notice it!

Not yet, I still have the shipping box waiting to be opened in my music room. I am going to try to get to it this weekend though, since I'm a little paranoid about the new keyboard having the same problem (or something else).

I think all my keys have a slight quiet spring sound. But the noise I didn't like was a more noticeable creak when slowly pressing notes/chords in the lower end of the keyboard. It wasn't that loud, but if I was trying to play something soft and expressive it was distracting. I've never had any other keyboards make a noise like that.

I didn't send a video to Moog. But when I described it originally they said it should work out after playing, and if it didn't they could swap the synth. I gave it about three months or so before pinging them again.

Anyone has experience with using the inserts?
Got this Mod Duo X the other day and I'd like to hook it up to the M1 but that's new territory to me.
With an upcoming firmware upgrade (for the MDX) I'm expecting CV in/out as well which should be interesting as well.

Actually I had a chance to do this after work today. So far with the new keyboard I'm not hearing any creaking like before (only the soft spring action on all the keys). I gotta test it out more, but with my old one it was pretty much noticeable right away .. so hopefully it's a good sign.

As far as the keyboard removal/installation, here are some notes in case anyone else does this:
- When raising up the left hand panel, there is a connector in the far back that is hot glued into place. With the way the panel is wedged into the wood case, I couldn't find a way to lift it straight up high enough to reach the keyboard cable connector inside (maybe you could do it with some small tools if you were careful). I ended up pulling that back connector partway out, which required a long screwdriver to push it back into place at the end.

- The instructions also mention flipping up the keyboard outside of the chassis to remove the red cable connector. By the time I got the keyboard outside, it had already pulled off the connector. I'd suggest raising it just enough to pull off this connector, then removing the keyboard from the chassis. There isn't much slack in the cable, so you could probably bend/break pins if you weren't careful.

- My new keyboard didn't come with the keyscan board (which the cable mentioned above plugs into). Not a big deal to remove and swap from the old keyboard, just a minor step not mentioned in the instructions.

- Don't overtighten the screws going into the keyboard from the bottom. I had them all snug and slightly overtightened one to where it might be rounded out a little now (oops).

- Putting the connectors back on was the most tedious part, since there isn't much slack and you only have small windows to reach through. In hindsight, it might have been worth the effort to get a power screwdriver out and take off the entire bottom panel for easier access.

Anyway, the whole deal took about 20 minutes (most of which is spent screwing/unscrewing and fishing around the cables). Now to get back to actually playing this thing

I had to take a look to see what it was, and it is intriguing, and I am interested in doing a deeper dive.

So this thing is apparently both a midi controller and processor, AND an audio processor.
In terms of using it for audio as an insert, I would mostly say don't. I think it would be best parked on the master outs or sub outs.
The insert outs are strictly mono, and tapped before any voice level panning. The insert returns can be in stereo, but go DIRECTLY to the master outs at that point.
So you are not really gaining anything by returning the signal to the keyboard, UNLESS, you are playing live, have multiple voices going , and want the master volume to be at your command.
If you are using different inserts for multiple timbres, it can also make sense. But in most cases I think you should go out into the external device, and keep going - to your amp, to your DAW, whatever you are doing. If in mono and you want to bypass the master effects, insert out with a TS, into your effect, into your mixer.
It is nice to have the flexibility.

The midi processing aspect is quite intriguing, and would allow you to say, have the cutoff on the active synth tweak able on the keyboard, but have a knob assigned to a different midi channel on the MDX controlling the cutoff on synth 2. It will give you ways to access parameters on all three synths without switching around. That seems more than useful.

Keep us posted with the testing. Mine isn't too loud, but it creaks. I don't mind since Moog is saying it's normal in my case.

I posted this on the general One thread, thinking it would be of interest to potential owners, but there is a very comprehensive, accurate, and positive review on the One in the new issue of SOS. I use the iOS app, and only buy sporadic issues, but of course I wanted to read this.
He is forthcoming about the things that are works in progress, but the overall tone is that it is a future classic once those things are addressed.
He acknowledges the fans, discussed them with Moog, does not find them problematic for himself but acknowledges that others may.
Some exciting things for owners regarding future development - though not much on specifics, just that there are grand plans once the basic issues are dealt with.

I enjoy reading reviews of instruments I already own and with which I am familiar. I think this guy has a good perspective, which would lend creedence to his reviews of instruments I have not experienced directly.

It’s a balanced and fair review. He’s one of the better reviewers in my book and certainly knows his way around synths!

I have to say my fans (start up aside) are quieter than my Kronos 88 which in turn is quieter than my external LaCie thunderbolt disks...

Interesting. My Kronos is virtually silent compared to my One. My desktop computer is louder than the Kronos.

Perhaps you haven't changed your Fan Control setting to Slow on your Kronos?

Question for you Moog One 8 voice owners, how do you feel about your 8 voices? Are they limiting or is there still a deep world of functionality and fun despite not having the 16 voice? Also, what couldn't I do with an 8v as opposed to a 16v? I am trying to make a decision but there isn't one I can play anywhere near here and every vid on youtube is a 16v. Which maybe answers my question....ha. Anyway, as I don't own anything over 12 voices (P12), I am wondering if 16 voices is a lot I would be missing out. I am into making experimental soundscapes/noises and every now and then some sequences and regular jamming on the keys.

Thanks!

I have the 8 voice and I think there are few limitations in terms of sound design. I think if you want to use all three layers in chordal fashion then that would be 16 voice territory. I often use the sequencer in one layer (monophonically), chords in another and mono lead line which works great. Given I’d never really run into issues on my P6 I see it as having an extra 2 voices rather than not having another 8!