Geesuss Banana Christ bro ...
who said ''you specifically'' can't hear down to 1ms ..
5ms is ''generally ''considered the human limit, just like how 24fps in video is a limit of the eye rate..

And what do you mean you can hear it in samples? in what context to music? ... like if you shift a snare in a beat a 2ms -3ms (or whatever you think your hearing) its audible to you? ..
Im not doubting your experience, but I pose that you are ''feeling it'' rather than hearing it .. I mean if you can hear under 5ms every DJ mix ever must drive you crazy


Now I just did a quick search and ''a research online'' seams to indicate that 3ms threshold is now possible, that would be very exeptional and I would be hard press pass this as a new norm ...but than again anything is possible in Mississippi

I said taught nature .. as in practice.. as in thousands upon thousands of hours of drumming to a metronome> as in second nature ... if your doubting this think about the consistency of drumming to a song, the rhythm is more dependent on animation vs hearing .. it's an acquired talent nor hearing ..

so much pseudoscience, can we talk about octa support for 432Hz?

Then it would really sound flat 🥁

I'm not sure why hating on Octatrack is tolerated to this extent. ****ing idiots. Why is the world so cruel.

What is the difference between feeling and hearing, lol? Lets say you make a multiple choice test and have to pick one between two beats, questioning in which case the snare comes earlier. I believe a lot of people, good DJs in the first place, will more or less outperform 5 ms or be at least confident at 5 ms. They must be trained to hear mistakes before the rest of the crowd can hear it. Yes, you can hear in DJ mixes when these are not tight, but nowadays the computer took over, and there are not as many real DJs out there who actually mix in the old way.

When you export the samples from Battery 4 (NI) or zoom in, you will find that a lot of samples will have a gap at the beginning, because they were not properly prepared, that can destroy the groove and reduce its impact.

Coming back to DJing, high loudness and a reverberant room forgive a not so tight beat, but listen to the mix in a living room ...

And what's the point of all this? When the drum machine jitters already with 5ms, how can you tailor your beat?

You can't differentiate between the two ?
You don't hear the difference between a sample accurate clock and a clock that has jitter, but if you A/B test side by side you can feel one is tighter, also if you shift some snares in a snare roll a few ms you'll feel it but you dont hear it .. they are all falling on beat.

If I uploaded 10 files with drumbeats and rolls where each beat had random shifted hits within 5ms .. Do you think you could spot the hits? ... NO mate you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between balls and tits ..

I also seriously doubt that online research, there are so many factors in play..


Bro this is your own ouroboros ,
you stated you could hear below 5ms,
you even came at me like Mr. T at a WWF wrestling match with some: ''I pity the fool that can't hear under 5ms'' trash talk with your tag team partner ChatGPT in the corner stating that human hearing response threshold is 1-2 ms..

I address your post and now your you what to know what the point is ?

Yeah..
Tell me about it.. Perfect symmetry created by air pressure and we have the instruments to do this ..
Nope! not having it!
Satans work if you ask me ...

Music would be Boring if we followed the 432Hz Crowd

That is only 1 note and as soon as you play a melody the Hz's would be all over the place.

The 432 myth is just as real as a Sky Daddy and Unicorns.

WTF?

Who said I cannot distinguish a sloppy and tight beat? You? With what body part do you "feel" the difference, with your butt? So your butt is tighter than your ears? If the snare is early or late, then to an otherwise consistent beat. And no one talked about a snare roll.

An old trick with samplers is to add a bit of silence to the beginning of samples to allow the ability to subtly adjust the groove by using the starting point.

Sorry, it's hard to believe and a strange method.

What was used is to shift the start point slightly ahead inside the sample - no gap - and make the start point going back with increasing velocity. By skipping the initial transient you can dull the drum hit for low velocity. In this way, the timing is always correct.

Your method will not be able to replay snare or clap slightly too early, and that's actually the more musical case and often used.

There’s no way human hearing can go beyond the zyquist range, right guys? Right!? Haha! Apparently, cd quality is the best we can hear, and the Octatrack has that in spades. Honestly though, absolutely nothing wrong with the sound on my Digitakt mk1.

I got heckled by an MPC Live fanboy for using an OT while setting up at a gig last night. Amongst the volley of complaints, they didn't mention that it sounded flat. So there's that I guess.

So being vulgar is going to help your point somehow?
Mr. ''I pity those who can't hear below 5ms''

and in case you are completely a sham, we are talking about the perception of hearing not hearing i general .. your doing it wrong if your applying your anus ..

This is also what gave the MPC magic swing its fairy dust.. Cats where chopping by ear and thus the samplist touch was baked into the beat.

you seem to enjoy your trolling. Hearing is hearing, full stop. You try to find names for the same thing. If some feels that someone else does not sing in tune, or he hears it ...

Noone is disputing that you are using ears to catch a sound, we are talking about a perception limit.
Its like if something passes so fast by your sight that you can't see it .. It's still hit your vision, you may have notice something going by, but you couldn't see it .. It's the same with anything under 5ms, you'd have to have some kind of super hearing to consciously catch it ..

But let me help this conversation out,
we are talking about the same thing
But as I stated its in ''the eye of the beholder''

The beholder being the producer in his studio in this scene.
Where working on a ''step'' moving a sound ever so slightly in a 16step loop ''can be heard'' as all your focus is on that step,
number of factors come into play, transients or phase on sound/s on same step, the sound before and after may also shade on what you are perceiving.
But it's just at that moment that you are catching it ...
as I said Im not doubting your experience'' ..

Play that track back 2 months after .. and your not going to be like: yhea I just noticed ''via hearing'' that I shifted that 3rd HIHhat 2ms back and that 2nd Snare is obviously 3ms before the beat ... because you can't '' distinctively perceive those ms moves'' ... but you can feel that the beat has a nice groove ..
Because when you where in that zen state of listening/producing/editing those ''step/s'' you made a conscious choice in design.