Logic X has summing tracks, which is like a group track in Cubase.

It's not funny, just irritating. Give it a rest.

People included me in jokes as well. If its not aimed at you then maybe you should rest, and not put more energy into than they are. Plus it was over long ago, and your bringing it back up.

You're irritating your self at this point. Yes let it rest, now I'm telling you.

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Have been messing around with the cubase chord track for some hours and I am completely blown away!
It is just insane what you can do with it.
And double that with integration with variaudio 2, speachless.

The concept is so different between cubase and logic.
The chord track could have been so goofy and shallow, but it is so deep and versatile.
I'm not saying Gavin is not usefull, but it is so clear that cubase and logic are heading in completely different directions.

And I do admit I enjoy my new 4770k haswell build overclocked to 4,5 Ghz

OK now I'm jealous. I found some 27 inch i5 imacs on eBay for around $900. How much did that build cost you?

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I'm not sure about usd currency.
But I paid less than my wife's new 13 inch 256 GB macbook air
And I went with dedicated 256 ssd drive and 2 TB of 7200 sata drive.
Plus way better cpu cooling and 16 GB ram etc.

Life is good

Of all the repetitive contents of your posts, this is the most interesting, and intelligent.

You asked classictunz "Why do you keep lowering the tone by calling people names?"
And now you come with this..

Perhaps below the belt, but in response to a puerile comment, and basically a genuine opinion. Sorry ref. Not the same though, in my mind, as calling people trolls and fanboys for posting in a certain way, while simultaneously carrying out and approving of identical behaviour in the defence of your own position.

Anyway, sorry. Cubase ftw! Death to Gavin! L is for logic, L is for lice! And so on.

I think what I said was needed at the time. No parties I referred to got upset. There was a little truth in what I said about people defending their daw of choice. Nothing personal about how intelligent they are, or lack there of.

Since then those same parties have aided me to understand their daw of choice and actually I'm taking a second look at my decision.

Especially after the sum track advisory.

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I wouldn't claim to be the judge of anyones intelligence based on the contents of a forum. I hope there's more to all of us than the handful of words on display here. But let's move on.
Cubase 7 has been out for like 9 months or something. Logic is still getting over it's early bugs. It's not really a level playing field at this point. It'll be interesting to see what the consencus is when logic gets to 10.1.

ps. I still like Drummer. Much prefer Levi to Gavin though.

thanks for that, I'll try it out

the problem isn't that you can do it on an automation lane, but that you can't do it without needing the line tool

I use pitch bending a lot so this is a bit of a drag

Some more thoughts after writing and recording a quick song in Cubase 7 (and unlike some posters here, specific examples):

- Still enjoying the UI. Logic X is definitely too dark.
- The MIDI editor in Cubase is very nice - especially the ability to have multiple MIDI CC lanes open. Logic X STILL doesn't support this.
- The ability to search for plugins / VIs when you're inserting them is awesome! Great workflow feature.
- Chord track's chord assistant is pretty interesting for spurring some new ideas. I see this in the same vein as Drummer in terms of a songwriting / compositional tool. One deals with chords and one deals with the groove - both important when writing. Two bad they're not in the same program! Didn't find the chord track part of the whole thing very helpful though - was a bit wonky. But for generating ideas, it was cool for sure.
- I didn't see a way to select some tracks and "add to group channel" from the arrange window (I think you can do it in the mixer?). It seems I have to create a group channel and then assign each track to that channel (or use Q-Link to first link them, then assign, then unlink). Then I have to select all of those and put them in a folder track for organizational purposes. Logic X's summing tracks do this all in one single step very easily.
- I personally find Logic X's Flex Pitch much easier to work with on vocals than VariAudio (I couldn't seem to grab the target points to adjust the pitch curves for some reason - maybe a bug). The workflow IMO is superior and easier to use (includes gain). They did a great job with it.
- There doesn't seem to be a SINGLE tab on the inspector that shows what I consider the core aspects of a track - the I/O of the channel, the inserts, the sends, the fader & pan, solo / mute, record enable, and the VI if its an instrument track. These are spread throughout multiple tabs - I could keep multiple tabs open, but that takes up more real estate. The first tab is closest (without a full fader), so I use that most often (even though it seems to default to the channel tab when I create a new track).
- Media Bay is pretty sweet! Very easy to find stuff and drag & drop it in. Logic's file browser is pretty similar but without all the tagging / rating functionality (to be honest, I never use that stuff, but it is nice if you want it).
- Retrospective record is cool - Logic has it as well.
- Generally, Cubase forces users to actually switch between tools vs. having key modifiers / contextual hot spots. Not all the time, but a lot of the time - it is very frustrating from a workflow standpoint (but easily fixable by Steinberg). I mentioned some previously, but another one is why I can't just double click to add a note in the MIDI editor or hold down a key modifier and get a pencil tool without having to switch over to that tool completely.
- It's nice that I can actually modify the audio in lanes (fades, etc.). Logic X still doesn't allow this and it is very annoying.
- The CPU utilization difference becomes very apparent once you start composing. Definitely a lot more headroom in Logic X (as my test showed for my system).

Overall, Cubase 7 has a lot of functionality, which is nice. I like Mix Console personally. While Cubase does have some nice workflow advantages, overall, I still feel Logic is the winner in that department FOR ME. Also, when it comes to performance on my Mac, Logic still wins hands down - although Cubase is a lot better than it used to be. Also, in terms of the "superior" audio engine, I didn't notice a difference compared to Logic in the scenarios I came across. Cubase stops audio at the same points Logic, etc. do (inserting plugin while playback is happening, etc.).

Go figure I love Logic floating mixer

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Oh I prefer Logic's mixer - don't get me wrong (workflow reasons I already mentioned) I just am saying that I don't mind Mix Console as much as the Cubase community seemingly does.

Pro Tools mixer is my favorite though.

I like both

The match eq on the mix console is a great addition. Just draw what you want to hear with the mouse. I just discovered it recently.

Been there all along, I'm so stuck on my Uad plugins, but stock tools are way better than they once were IMHO.

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It's not a question of bing a fanboy. I just use what serves me best. I'm not going to use 10 DAW's because of a detail. As long as it gets the job done for me that's what I'll use.

+1

Right click on any channel in the arrange and you can add any kind of track.

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select the tracks you want to route, hold shift and change the routing

you can use the object selection tool and hold alt/opt to toggle the pencil tool when needed

you kind of contradicted yourself there, the audio engine determines how well a DAW performs (in terms of processing samples for playback) so Logic's would be superior on your Mac

Interestingly, there is a bug with this. If all of the tracks have the same output, works great - they all change to the new output. However, if the tracks don't have the same output, I'm seeing them have varying outputs, different from the one I chose.

Thanks for the MIDI editor tip! I swore I tried that, but guess not.

Learned another tip - Q-Link can be toggled by holding down Opt-Shift, so that's convenient.

If I choose group channel, this doesn't add the track I right-clicked from to that channel though.

Just found another interesting thing - none of the inspector tabs let me set the output of an instrument channel? I have to go to the mixer or the edit window to do the routing for an instrument track.

You mean you have to use a modifier key???
That's what Cubase fans always complain about Logic.
Would be much easier selecting the tracks and choosing the routing like another DAW does!!! heh

Did they remove hyper edit from Logic X? In 9 it works well.

You can see it from there. You have to click the instrument name. I'll take a picture.

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No key mod to see outputs in the arrange. Its not like Logic at all. That's where I messed up when going to Cubase from Logic.

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that's odd just tried it with channels routed to different outputs and it worked perfectly



holy crap I've been trying to figure this out, thank you! I looked over the manual but I guess I missed it since I didn't read the Q-Link section

I'm not a "Cubase fan" so this is irrelevant

yeah well, same thing with the volume, panning, etc. but I guess it is what it still

it still doesn't bother me as much as the MIDI controller panes being all stepped and stupid, wouldn't be so much of a problem if you could just add automation lanes for the pitch bend and modulation wheels which don't have CC channels

I don't want to be drawing in my pitch bends with the pencil or line tools, I just want to make two clicks and drag the breakpoint

I see what happened here, while holding shift and selecting the tracks you want routed, *continue to hold shift WHILE your selecting the output. All of the selected tracks will then share the same output, groups as well if you create them.

Thanks guys I didn't know about the shift key for multiple track routing. I did it one by one(no shift key needed).

My 6th key command

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You're describing Cubase automation correct?

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