It seems all 'logical' to me: they will have a very low entry point for Logic itself: ~ $ 99-199 range and then by adding instruments for $ 10-20 you will get to the 'normal' Logic price range.

But isn't that how Logic used to be? You used to be able to buy things like the EVD6 / Space Designer on separate discs from Emagic.

Then Apple bought Logic from Emagic, and bundled everything together. From Apple's perspective, breaking up the bundle again would be a backwards step.

Also, the Logic instruments are not traditional Plug-Ins - they are part of the app. They'd either have to:

a) Remove them from the app and re-code them as Audio Units.

or

b) Leave them in the app and have them as unlocks via purchased license codes.

Perhaps a) will happen... dunno. Would Apple really want to get involved in the AU business? It's bad enough waiting for Logic fixes. What would happen if their plugs were suddenly available for users of all DAWs? It would be a mess unless they changed the way they deal with bug reports / customer communication.

Also, wouldn't switching to AU mean losing some of the key benefits of having the instruments built-in? Saving assets in the project folder, for example.

b) seems very undesireable to me. Logic Pro as it stands seems to be all about providing value for money with loads of bundled content. Breaking it up into unlockable chunks would confuse things I think and make the app less attractive. We already have Logic Express. Doesn't that cater for those who want a more streamlined package?

I agree, the whole point of going to Logic from PT for alot of people IS the packaged VIs and samples. Its more a creative tool than for mixing/post-production. Granted these days all DAWs can pretty much do the same things but Logic still has its niche & forced the other companies to up their game. Moving away from this would be a mistake imo. What they should do is focus on their relationship w/ the engineers at Emagic and keep pushing the envelope.

hello carmen.
both cubase and pro-tools 8 include alot synths and fx as well!

I can't speak for Cubase, but the amount of VIs, amp sims, and other effects and content included with Pro Tools is a joke compared to Logic. This is coming from someone who's been using PT for 10 years and is currently using PT9. For straight audio recording it's my fave but it can't hold a candle to Logic in this area.


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I agree, those few xpand samples stand no chance for all you get with logic, can't speak for cubase either though. If pro tools has a lot, how do you describe what Logic comes with?

The virtual instruments and many effects removed and only available as optionals ARE YOU KIDDING???
Its just mind boggling that so many people find this to be ok - or even a good idea...
So people who have been using Logic since version 1 loose up on this "update" that can't even open their old projects unless they fork out for stuff they already paid for? I really doubt that they could pull off an irresponsible, disregardful stunt of such magnitude.

No offense taken Yeah it should have been more like "It doesn't excite me to buy a watered down
version of Logic X as a download from the App Store."

I get what you mean about what I meant.

Now if you'll excuse me I'll go and partake in my TastyKake snack I have in front of me.

i'm with you 100%. but it seems they are already doing this with FCP yes? FCS used to come with multi gigabyte content also. No word whether it will even be available in X. Regardless if they DO pull a stunt of this magnitude, i am jumping ship and never looking back.

I don't know what they do with FCP, but if they reduce the price, and let users pay for only the extra apps/content they actually need, that can't be a really bad idea, can it?

...in the case of new users. But how about the thousands who have been using and supporting Logic for years? Does it sound right to you that they should buy back what they already paid for in order to "upgrade"? No, really...

Why should they ever drop the really good sounding es2 etc ? I wouldnt take that too seriously... Es2 is still one of the best sounding soft synths out there. Although EXS24 is really getting oldfashioned. Its a nice idea to keep everything in one place but they really should make sample loading easier. I dont want to make a patch out of every sample i might need.

but is there actually confirmation that they ARE offering the other previously included content as OPTIONAL purchases with FCX? if so that's FINE.

If they do this with logic that's FINE. As long as i don't lose anything.

I will never need to buy the loops again obviously cause they are apple loops installed in my system that will be read by Logic X obviously so that's fine too.

If there is a synth and sampler pack for like $100 to maintain backwards compatibility i am happy with that too, if logic X itself comes in at a $199 pricepoint. As long as they are available is my whole point. But that stupid post at KVR saying certain instruments were just going to plain disappear, well, that's what got me and others going, and i shouldn't have let it get to me, cause it;s nothing but speculation at this point. As long as i can still have ES2, ES1, EXS, EVB, EVD, Ultrabeat.. and ALL the current fx that i use ALL the time, then that's again, FINE.

Coming from Logic 4,I bought every upgrade till 9,also I bought exs 24 -softsynths as extra ,It's ok I don't care about that(since everything paid itself),but Why do I have to pay again for the same thing ?!(if they take them out and replace with something new)It doesn't make sense!only if you start your work with a brand new program Logic X(which doesn't have nothing to do with Logic pro,only the name Logic ?)

Sounds like someone has been watching the Final Cut X news and pretending it's Logic X news.

sorry fellows,

I posted this thread here and I was amused about all replies...

I love speculations about Logic, hoping we will be satisfied after they announce it....heh

look here please, too.

http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopi...=362585#362585
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=316089

interesting thread

as far as final cut x i think the app will be available separately from the 'bundle' so if all you want to do is edit video without the something like 60 gig of stuff then why not ? i was discussing this with the guys at the video equipment shop and we figured downloading such a huge bundle is unlikely.

i can see logic x doing something similar where there's a version at the same price range as logic express. it would be the full version of logic x but wouldn't include a lot of the content that's in the studio package like fcx: the sound effects in soundtrack pro, esx24 sample library, etc

i do think they could split up the individual apps or just have logic or the bundle if the price is right and they remove the logic express tier. maybe make the rest of the bundle an upgrade option and/or with purchase you can download logic x from the app store while you wait.

it will be interesting if apple monitors all their software like logic and final cut. i really doubt they're gonna completely close the system like the iphone app store where you have to jailbreak it if you want to use alternatives. if it introduces tons of new bugs i might just stick with logic 8.

I thought the news about Final Cut Pro was pretty cool. I'll be upgrading when it comes out.

Regarding Logic, I am sort of excited myself, whatever comes, it'll be cool. I really hope the way it looks gets refreshed, I know, I'm not supposed to care about that, but there is a lot of room for improvement there.

We'll see. It'll be good, no doubt, whenever it comes.

BTW, for anyone that forgot, Logic's interface has already been refreshed starting with version 8. That's not to say they won't do it again, but I doubt it. 64 bit support has already been added as well. For anyone that's keeping score, yes Logic received 64 bit support before Final Cut, so that should shut anyone up who likes to think Apple gives more attention to its video products over its audio products.

[QUOTE=skiltrip;6550191]I can't speak for Cubase, but the amount of VIs, amp sims, and other effects and content included with Pro Tools is a joke compared to Logic. This is coming from someone who's been using PT for 10 years and is currently using PT9. For straight audio recording it's my fave but it can't hold a candle to Logic in this area.

Yea logic is the best for creating I have all 3 pt,L9,c5 and logic is"creating music for idiots" I guess I'm a idiot because ideas comes very easy with logic.

I'm hoping logic step up to protools tdm and nuendo level.

Not that its not but it doesn't feel the same(ie audio editor).

Noding uad/waves/tdm level plugins(the right way) to a $600 macmini....game changer!

Edit: BTW I haven't upgraded to C6 or built or bought a computer.....if logic come through for me ill build around "logic x studio"!!!!!

Lol! Good man (person)! You made me smile heh

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After reading through the threads on other forums I think all of this talk
about Logic X is just that, talk, with no factual basis for any of it. I'm happy
to use what I have and when the new version arrives I'll be ready with the
cash to purchase.

You know you can do this already now by using the Marquee tool, don't you? Or is that still not addressing the way you want it to work?

I think you can also grab the SPL itself without using the ruler area, giving you two ways to do this. You also have a host of positional & looping tools available when you have a selection, and when you deselect all you can 'reverse' many of these keybinds (return zoom to full from having zoomed to selection, start playback at the start of the song or looped area rather than selection etc.)

Personally if they did add the 'jump to current mouse focus on click' command then I hope they give some way to disable *that*, as misclicks causing position jumps would annoy me.

a improved EXS style sampler.
A NI battery type drum sampler.
a moog type synth.
ES2 Rocks.
More Presets.

Fairchild/LA2A emulations
Pultec Emulations
improved reverbs

A core download version without vi's and plugs is not a bad idea, unless:

1. the core app is absolutely rock solid and totally killing on ease of use, GUI and functionality
2. you have the option to add a vi pack and a plug/mix pack.

That would be appealing to me, and regarding the price of FCP now, not bad neither. We'll see soon enough, I guess...

Regards,

Roger

+1....+1 and oh +1 thumbsup

I'm in as long as my EXS24 instruments can be used.
Still on 7.1 here LOL ....will I be able to upgrade to X?? :-)

What do we want? Midi!
When do we want it? Now!

Let's do it that way: If Apple decides to screw our loyalty to the company by bringing Logic X which is as useful as Garage Band, we all co -sign and send thick letter to apple complaining and shouting that we have paid 408~ pounds/dollars for Logic 9 , whatever, with possibility of future upgrades based on customer (our) feedback to improve, improve, improve. As we dont wish to become victims of another weird and distorted apple marketing strategy.