Not sure, but interesting. Bummer I don't have a PC since there's no Mac version.

Definitely the kind of thing I need to check out, though, so maybe I'll see if I can run it inside Crossover to then generate patches that can be used by the Vital vst on Mac.

In the meantime, I've spent a couple days now trying to build up chromatic percussion libraries with Synplant. It's pretty good at the tonal stuff, and not so much with the atonal. It's no small task, though. For years, I've tried every synthesis technique available to try to recrate things like toms, timpani, cowbells, etc.

MODO drum was a huge letdown, but maybe just because the expectations were so high from MODO bass.

Anyway, still finding my groove with Synplant, but seeing lots of potential. Will do a quick crash course on Vital if it looks like the workflow is doable.

I suppose it's possible that was it and I misread it since I wasn't aware what XLN Life was.

Not once have I ever found myself wanting a plugin to make rhythms for me, but there must be a market for that since I'm seeing more and more plugs that do some version of this.

I'm getting some great sounds after digging into this for the past few days. I might just be misinterpreting the manual, but I'm trying to do something particular and having no luck:

I have patches I've created by sampling in different conga articulations, so I have an open tone patch, a heel strike patch, a slap patch, etc. I'd like to combine them into a single patch to reduce instances, and have them per zone on the keyboard.

Right now, each patch is all uniform, so no different branches per zone, key, or anything like that.

I see how to copy entire patches, or branches WITHIN a single patch, I'm not seeing how to take what I guess in the terminology here would be a branch from one patch, and copy it into a branch on another patch so I can have a slap branch, an open branch, a heel branch, etc within the same patch, then do the zone mapping per branch. Is this possible and I've missed it?

Also not clear at the moment how to make the branches that I want at a fixed pitch rather than chromatic (like the heel and slap) to always play at a fixed pitch within their key zones.

The company should list all the types of synthesis engines that are inside the plugin.

For example, when the genopatch is trying to figure out a sampled sound, is it using Subtractive Synthesis with 3 oscillators and how many LFOs and Envelopes and one or two filters in serial or parallel?

Does it have WaveTables inside?
Granular synth?
FM?


Just curious as to how complex is the synth building blocks that the plugin has to use when trying to copy a sampled sound.

The new DNA display actually reorganized the parameters into a display model which actually makes. Synplant is essentially a 2 osc synth with some FM capability thrown in.

So that tells us right there, then, that it's not going to be able to replicate a whole host of sounds, since many popular sounds were made on different types of synth engines.

No question about it.

In all fairness, there's a tough balancing act here. To replicate ANY sound, the synth engine would have to get extremely complex and/or even less intuitive than what's here (if that's possible).

That being said, the synth engine isn't this plug's strong point. Something as basic as MSEGs for many of the controls would be a huge improvement over the blunt instruments offered here.

Genopatch is the standout feature for sure. I expect to see this kind of front end strapped to all kinds of synths in the near future. I think it's probably theoretically possible to create such a synth that can reproduce ANY sound (of a given length)... but it might be so difficult to dial in that it would be a waste of time for most music producers.

I think someone in the not too distant future will find a sweet spot that allows most typical synth sounds to be replicated reasonably well and then easily manipulated to desired results. I then expect that to expand to the point where the same can effectively be done for most acoustic drum one-shots, and simple short acoustic sounds (single guitar plucks,etc) to the point where they are indistinguishable to most people vs the sample. In the meantime, this is more than worthy of purchase.

Let's not forget that this the first offering of anyone such type from any DSP developer. I'm sure we'll see improvements and refinements as this tech progresses.

The fact that some people are already whining that "this can't do x/y/z" is just ridiculous.

Oh, I'm one of those armchair quarterbacks plotting for a better future as well, but...

... this is nothing short of groundbreaking.

Imagine having a re-synthesis 'engine' something like Harmor.

Harmor is pretty much a sampler with how accurately it represents the sounds fed in to it. But it can do way more than the average sampler when it comes to manipulating those sounds. You could just use it as a sampler, in fact, if you wanted to. The quality may not be absolutely perfect, but I have a very hard time distinguishing the sounds it reconstitutes in to its partials, for the most part.

Now take that kind of engine and the AI DSP engine from Synplant 2 - now your'e talking.

Then again, it's probably not as easy as just the wizard waving his magic wand. They may be two totally incompatible technologies. I have no idea.

Still, as proof of concept, Synplant 2 certainly paints a picture of better more exciting things to come.

If it were possible to marry those two different techs, then not only would you effectively have a sample playback machine on your hands (implemented by synthesis) so it would reconstitute just about any sound perfectly, but you would have the ability to tweak and change that sound in a myriad and multitude of different ways.

I guess Synplant is what it is. It's astounding that it can do what it can do so well anyway with a somewhat limited synthesis engine. I'm pretty sure this hasn't escaped the dev's attention. I'd like to think he's working on a more powerful version that can REALLY show off his new tech in the future. If anyone can do it, he can.

Then again, it may not be so trivial to combine that particular AI DSP tech with the form of Additive synthesis and re-synthesis that something like Harmor implements.

I enjoy both synths on their own unique merits and am not left feeling as if I'm missing out. But still, it's an interesting proposition...

EDIT:
In fact, thinking about it, who even needs Synplant 2 at all? Harmor just about perfectly samples any sound you put in to it, including synths, and then you can play about to your heart's content with how you want to manipulate its results.

Synplant is not necessary really if you want to do that. Having said that, I love Synplant 2 and bought it the other day. Just putting that out there seeing as the question has come up. I may be missing something, but Harmor is a pretty amazing piece of kit. It's about the best of the re-samplers/re-synthesizers, better even than Alchemy to most people's ears.

Damn, that looks awesome... and from the little bit I've seen it appears to have a much more user-friendly interface.

I dreamed about this stuff last night. Seems to me there's a convergence on the horizon where FFT's meet MSEGS to create crazy complex harmonic distortions in easily manipulated visual formats so the scans might be incomprehensibly complex at first due to the number of partials, but cleaning them up or altering them is a straightforward task done with intuitive bezier and other visual tools.

I hadn't heard of Harmor before, but it sure looks an awful lot like what I imagined in the dream in at least some respects.

Looks like a FL studio specific plug though, right? Anyone seen something in the ballpark that's cross-platform vst?

I think it may still be possible to pick up the VST version of Harmor to use in hosts other than FLStudio. Shop around.

Whether it works great is another matter. I know it's a common complaint that many people have that these plugins don't work absolutely perfectly on Mac. Having said that, if you can find a copy -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6LdEclxejk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4hKWT3oR6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6U7weIitQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmL0JwqU89E

Not sure how old/relevant they are now. I know some people got it going ok.

It's also said to be in the pipeline, that is a new version of these plugins in VST form, including for Mac. I wouldn't hold my breath. But I think they are working on it.

As for alternatives. There are quite a few, and some of them are quite good and comparable to Harmor. Loom is a possible alternative. Not sure if you're on a Mac, but Alchemy would be an obvious option there.

Check out these threads for alternatives -
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=534741
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=564558

Arturia's Synclavier comes to mind at also being one of the better ones available.

Also Image-LIne's Morphine is a good option.

Not sure what you mean by 'cross-platform' whether Mac or just 3rd party hosts.

My thinking is that this would be a task similar to trying to crack 512-bit encryption using a consumer grade CPU.

In light of what I already wrote on this topic, if this company were able to develop the several other types of synthesis and incorporate them all into a mega synthesizer, and then use their genopatch technology to hard-crunch all the numbers for all the possibilities (too many to list, but you guys know what they are), how long would it take the best consumer grade CPU to come to an acceptable sound to the original as recorded in the sample?

Yes, it's feasible, but out of sight, presently.

But since it's not at all difficult to figure out the math on how to proceed, a solution is doable. Then, to shorten the amount of time doing the long way, crunching all the numbers the hard way, then smarter developers, and I suppose AI, figure out ways to crack the encryption using smarter shortcuts (Is the starting point a triangle wave, or a square? Thus, eliminate the all the others that are clearly incorrect, would shorten the number crunching. But if the first tone is a complex sample rather than a simple waveform....way more difficult, if not impossible).

Like my first post' sentence, pretty cool and fun. If you had the recipe from the Genopatch on how "that sound" was actually created, would give players an amazing tool to use in their everyday musical playing job.

One last comment - I think of my Kurzweil workstations and how complex and sophisticated the technology is, and nobody I know ever used a thimble of the machine's potential, trying to come up with the synthesizer that the genopatch must fundamentally have before it can ever get to work, is why I mention the astronomical uphill task ahead of this thinking.

Still, cool to contemplate.

EDIT: No, this is my last comment. lol The market for this "SUPER SOPHISTICATED" synthesizer would have almost no sales given how ridiculously difficult it is to program. Most people don't tackle programming on Kurzweils for this very reason. In any case, the market for this product would not be for the purpose of selling a super synthesizer to program from scratch (though there are those who would), not nearly as much as the need for the super synthesizer to be in place in order to use the GenoPatch and bring all the sophistication to a useful purpose - the end result for users. That would be the result worth R&D and for the end user, worth buying.

EDIT 2: Eliminating the need to allow users to program this super synthesizer would make this extremely complex software synthesizer much easier to develop, by comparison. The only reason for it is to recreate sounds fed to it from samples, giving them the recipe it came up with. But if you need to allow users to have access to controls to program it themselves, that's where the nightmare for the Company's engineers begins. So theoretically, 2 versions. One for recreating, at one price tag. And the other, which is WAY more complicated for the engineers, for users to also program. at a much higher price tag.

How did you get all of the panels opened at the same time?

I would for $50.

Until then
resynthesis in Icarus, Harmor...
or the AI-powered Vital preset generator from MicroMusic

Does this ever go on sale ?

Getting a bit of deja vu here, but whatever.

No, Sonic Charge do not do sales. Now and again they might throw out the odd voucher like they did recently to their current users/owners of their software, that could be passed on to others, should they not need to use it (coz they might have the full bundle for example).

Someone was kind enough to pass this voucher on to me from this very website, and I can't remember exactly what happened now but there was some confusion and whatever happened, they were good enough to pass another voucher on to me (even this was not in the original terms of the contract). And I passed that on to someone else here on this very website so they could get the discount.

On the whole they don't so sales. They are kind of an exception in as much as their copy protection has never been fully broken, so they don't need to. We aren't allowed to talk about that here, so I'll leave it at that.

You can find decent second hand deals sometimes. Really, I think the best value is to save up for the whole bundle and just bite the bullet. Then it becomes a really great deal, if you can afford it.

You can keep asking this question a million more times, but the answer will be the same: No, Sonic Charge don't do deals or discounts, except in very very rare cases.

You could be waiting another 5 years. If you like the software that much, save up and buy it. It's expensive, but it's not that exorbitant.

This new version is insane!! LOVE IT>

Hello,

I am using harmonic bloom (a midi sequencer plugin) to control synplant 2. For some reason, the parameters of the synth are changing without myself doing any changes, especially the graphic roots of the notes in the middle. Is it a way to stop doing this or is the nature of the plugin?

Thanks

Are you sending CC as well as MIDI?

No just midi notes