What is equal in PC cpus nowadays to M4 Mac base level?

Equal in what ways? Since this is a build thread, I assume you are looking to build a desktop.

In a desktop, Intel 285k and latest AMD CPUs tend to do quite a bit better in DAW tests. But they are higher wattage and require more cooling.

Pete

A new middle of the road intel would be close.

Hi and thanks

I had about 750€ from doing two gigs, and I had two options: to pump the money out and that includes taxes and whatnot, or buy something directly (without taxes etc).

I was going through options, and because my 12700-based PC is still going strong I went with the base model M4 Mac Mini. It'll come in use, but still I'm on the PC-team and will be

I was just going to say the same thing, never had ram issues until I got a ddr5 mobo. Its really fussy about mixing sticks with different timings. It should resolve to the lowest common denominator, but can't seem to do it with all sticks.

But once its configured and running, its reliable.

Aside from mixing stick timings, if all the sticks are identical, never had any sort of problem with DIMM over the decades. I had a server-type mobo and ran ecc for a while and the mobo failed. Got a replacement server-type mobo from a different manufacturer and that failed as well. So, I was not getting lots of benefit from ECC, and didn't see the point of the extra cost.

But its been maybe 30 years since I had a retail-type mobo fail.

This isn't too unknown, unfortunately. The server boards are made in smaller quantity and are less debugged via RMAs.

In the context of this thread we were talking about consumer type boards that happen to take ECC UDIMMs (unbuffered). These are normal mass-produced consumer boards, most of the better AMD board support ECC UDIMMs except for MSI. I use Asus prime boards. They serve me well and support ECC (on AMD).

So I've had some fun tweaking and tuning my system. With the 7950X eco mode was a blessing and I wanted to try something similar with the 9950X. I let Ryzen Master do an all core Curve Optimizer optimization which ended up with a -24 across all cores. Afterwards I modified the PPT/TDC/EDC values to halfway between what they are in 105W and 170W "eco mode" settings.

Stress testing this shows consistent >5ghz clocks across all cores, with the Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 on the intake, couple Noctua fans on the exhaust this thing is quite silent under load. I have a gentle curve that kicks in as the processor gets close to 80C, I could probably let it get a bit higher though.

Is there any benefit to running a 285K on a B860 motherboard, vs a non-k CPU? I'm shopping for an ITX or mATX board with support for 3 M.2 SSDs and two displays using Intel integrated graphics, and there are B860 and Z890 options that fit these basic requirements. My overclocking practices never go beyond the pre-made "EZ" overclocking profiles just to get a small "safe" performance boost, which is always nice. I assume the K variant is a higher binned part so in theory, out of the box on the same motherboard with no tweaks the K part would perform better?