Again, it is just an ideal you and a few others hold onto. Why is something like an amp okay? Why is something like compression, distortion, effect pedals like octaver okay?

Its clear you didn't even try it.

I tried RVC. Not others like this ACE software. In compression and distortion there is still a human behind the performance. Now, singing and changing your vocal skin still has a little of that humanity, less. Like a vocal deep fake. Now drawing the melody with the mouse and writing the lyrics has 0 humanity. Its lame. Its just robots music. Yes you might have written the melody best case?

I dont find an artistic way to use it. What will you do? What is the pro of it.

How do you use it? To not hire a singer? DIY music?

I am being sincere, whats the artistic geniality?

Leave aside jobs lost.

Not the live performers outside of this forum I know of, who incidentally treat such things with utter contempt.

Where does it end, AI producing AI music and then download it all into the port at the back of your head and lip-sync on stage with perfect timing? All of this is purely machine like thinking and behaviour whereby the human being fades even more so into the background, lost in a sea of tech.

Not a world I want to live in thanks.

You are still creating the song. Hatsune Miku etc.

Jobs will always change, will be lost and created. That is just the world changing

Then don't listen to it?

Technology has always changed things up. The printing press changed the intricate detailed artwork copies of written works, trains and cars changed how we move. A computer changed how we do calculations.

The only thing constant is change.

There is no point in arguing, because you guys stand on absolutes anyway - nor discussing the tech - because you won't use it either.

I'd rather not, unfortunately music is swimming with this crap and it's becoming inescapable.

You're muddying the waters. We're talking about the human voice being replicated by machines, the written word is a glaring difference.

Sure, that change also applies to your position.

I fully grasp this technologies effects, a bit like I know what the effect would be to me personally if I punched myself in the face.

This.

I kid you not, one hundred years ago, these same guys were complaining that the the radio and phonograph were gonna put them out of business because venues would just play a record or have the radio on instead of hiring a musician to play.

Ain’t nothing changed. The tech of the week might be different, but the moans and groans are all the same.

This is entirely different and you know it

Up until now, tech has helped composers and musicians to bring their ideas to an audience (like recordings, radio, studios MIDI, DAW)

With this bs, the AI is doing the composing and/or musiciansship which is entirely different, which you know

All these promo threads for AI here…

AI promoter starter pack:

1. There’s nothing new under the sun. The debate about AI is just like the debate about…

2. There has never been any human creativity or originality, it was all just emulation and still is. Making output from input. So AI is just the same, see? Said by people who never wrote a song ever

3. AI music tools will democratize music. Sure. Because now people don’t need a studio. Guess what: that was never necessary and since portastudios and now DAWs anyone with a couple hundred bucks can make a record.

You guys promoting this shit are amateurs hobbyist. Dont lie to us. You are not working musicians.

Jobs lost will be as musician and created will be deliverying food services riding bycicles. Go bycicle yourself.

Creating a song like Hatsune Miku IS PATETHIC. A lonely person after his 15 hours of work in its awful japanese company living in a 13m2 rent apartment doing this for fun. Amateur. Not time and money for gathering a band and creating art with love.

This will help to turn us all into hoobyist, and mind you: you are not creating or singin nothing. You are not artists.

You are just empowered self-suficient lonely amateurs. Not needing nothing but you and your caprices.

Wrong, radio an albums destroyed the orchestras for dancing. You are not a working musician if you say that.
In 60's orchestras left dancing places to go to recording.. now this doesnt exist too. Where are the orchestras? Gone. Out of business. Dozens of work dissapeared.

What we have: "lonely instagramers trying to catch your attention with their virtuoso stuff and vertical videos".

Yes, nothing changed.

Now if you consider that a singer with a big orchestra (then) is the same than a bedroom producer (now) then YOU ARE DEAF.

Welcome to the conversation.

If you had bothered to read the thread, you would know this is not about AI music creation. It is about AI voice replacement.
You still have to sing or input the notes and lyrics via MIDI and text.

But this thread is already off-topic, looks like it's not gonna get back on track, so I guess it doesn't matter.



1. Indeed.
2. Strawman's argument. Nobody said any of that. Do better.
3. Strawman's argument. Nobody said any of that. Do better.

I know English is not your first language and I assume you're a nice guy, but this is borderline ad hominem and I think you need to step back and take a deep breath.

This is the internet, just an exchange of opposing views. Nobody should get this flustered about it. Relax.

This is what is being said all over the place including here

GS have been flooded with AI promoters recently, repeating the same nonsensical talking points

It does not belong here. It’s not gear, it’s not music production, it’s a stupid consumer product line ”make your own music” as consumer entertainment

All this AI music stuff is like Guitar Hero for playstation, except that wasn’t marketed as the people playing it actually being guitarist

And nobody was arguing that they in fact were

All the bs argument about how ”this is just like sampling, or synths, or multitrack, or recording, or player pianos, or wax cylinders, or notation” could have been made by people who wanted to defend Guitar Hero playing as real music making

That’s how stupid this is. Except it’s also dangerous. Since people who make real music (yes there’s a difference) rely on systems not working in favour of big tech trying to ”disupt” (destroy) every thing they touch

Right, so you see AI in the thread title, don't bother to read, and just assume this is the same as the other ones. Got it.

You know AI could craft a better substantiated reply than yours?
That is because it would actually read the entire thread before replying.

It wouldn’t read shit

The fact that you use AI for such things as ”reading” disqualifies you from intelligent discussion, since you don’t think for yourself

You also seem unaware that whenever it’s doing summaries it can very well be wrong. Which means it’s absolutely pointless to use AI for that

In addition to being idiotic

But yes, I’m tired of it poisoning everything. It’s pure politics. And yes, ”AI voices is here” is exactly the kind of thread that is such poisonous politics

I was gonna go back and be like ”you know what, you’re probably just a good person with an open mind, I don’t really wanna roast you for wanting to experiment with some new software”

But then I went back and read a bit (not all), and yeah.. it’s the same old talking points that AI big tech influencers spew all over

”This is democracy”
”This is like using an amp”

It’s so stupid I don’t believe it. Are you guys getting paid?

Because you must yourself see that:

1. This is not democracy but its opposite, big tech wiping everyone else out. It is disempowering in every respect. Portastudios were empowering. This is the opposite. It removes the human producer altogether. It’s pure consumption.

2. This is nothing like amps or sampling or synths. Just because you can say it is doesn’t make it so. Not every comparison or analogy that can be made is valid.

If you had said you were against AI music but that this specific tool wasn’t really AI and actually useful, then sure. But you seem to be on some ideological bandwagon here, and not interested in seeing how weak and shallow those analogies are

Pro tip:

If you want a real discussion about a certain software, choose a title like ”ACE Studio for vocals - what’s your impression”

And not a clickbaity polarizing ad copy title following the formula of ”AI” ”Something” ”Is here”

AI medicine is here. AI insurance is here. AI girlfriends are here. AI mastering is here. AI vocals is here.

That is just bait. And you know this.

I wonder if ai threads get more trolls than the behringer threads. I might check if chatgpt can do some sort of analysis for me.

Hehe touché

Problem though… is that in both cases trolls are starting the threads and/or fueling the fire by saying exactly the things they know will make people annoyed and start writing

As far as I’m concerned that’s a marketing tactic used by both B and these AI startups

”All exposure is good exposure”, stir up controversy, shares/”discussion” metrics, attention economy… that whole philosophy

Bad thing is it pollutes the forum and bloats the new posts/hot threads pages that many of use to keep an open mind and find new things… not to get baited in to pointing out to grifters and trolls that their talking points are not arguments

I wasnt saying you are deaf mate, i was saying that he who thinks that the great music of the past can compare to a nowadays bedroom producer grided and overdub musics deaf. This mindset, not you.

And you know there are people who thinks like: **music will evolve into something new and we should accept it**
No, MUSIC IS NOT EVOLVING: is getting cheaper so only cheap fast music can survive the lowering cost race to the bottom.

The title itself is clickbaity, and thats why we are here to tell you that this will do more harm than good.

What good could it make??? Come on.. try to convince me with anything else than variations of

**some unskilled will be able to put out his music without needing to hire anyone**.

For good quality music this is a bomb, because good quality music takes time and therefore money... needs human beings collaborating. What prevails are the instragramers you have faith in.

Not really. Whether it is the printing press, printers, or photography (replacing all artists). There is no difference other than personal attachement.

Jobs will always be lost with new technology. I work in IT and tech is constantly changing. I basically need to reinvent myself every 5 years.

There is a huge scene with loads of well paid people in the Vocaloid scene. They have paid musicians touring with it, they have artists writing song for them. But hey, everything to fit your own bubble.

Thanks for being so cordial.

1. Really? A lot of the tech is literally open source. I can train things myself.

2. Really? Because several blind tests with something like a well captured Tonex people weren't able to discern between a real and a capture.

3. How are you making your arguments and not see that it is you on the ideological bandwagon of no change?

It is literally the same argument made in art for centuries. O the past artists were so much better etc.

I find it funny that you say cheap fast music survives. First what even qualifies as such?

Omg people making a living off music, without needing big labels - terrible...

What is good quality music in your eyes? I guess there is nothing newer after 2000 on that list.

You and the OP are not musicians, you two are throlling and promoting this shit. Maybe the OP is a hobbyist.
When this AI thing leaves you unemployed remember:

"There will always be job lost and created, nothing changed". So adapt and go work as a delivery in uber.

"I heard this a lot of times, blahblah"

People on instagram are not making a living without music labels. And i am not promoting them, always made a living without them by recording, teaching and playing live. AI will make impossible the first two of them.

If you dont differentiate between plastic low cost de-humanized music and a song played by many human beings with and an orchestra then you are:

Deaf or Unhonest (your case) or your IQ is lower than 35.

Anyway, this is a last-ditch attempt to get the thread back on topic.

After the first positive impression, I guess it is only fair to balance it out with what I think needs work.

Again, I have not used MIDI/text, I have just fed it my own vocals and had it processed/transformed.

As I mentioned in the OP, you kind of need to nail the performance, because the engine will easily assume a different note if the pitch is too far off, and slight mistakes of time and intelligibility will sound way more off after the transformation than in your own voice.

What's more, the vocal I put into it was on point in terms of pitch, time and enunciation, but lacking in dynamics and power as I'm not a professional singer. Likewise, the processed voice sounded great, but it did not make my performance more powerful.

I suppose you could tweak it, and I believe that if you do MIDI/text there are ways to incorporate more dynamics, but I haven't messed with that yet.

At the end of the day, it was fun and I'm impressed by what it already does, but at this stage I'd use it for demos only. However, I don't doubt there is potential for further improvement, I'm really interested to see how it will develop.

How it will develop?

You will be able to tweak many things, not only the pitch and vibrato, larynx height, vocal strings closure, nasal resonance, roughness. Singin has trillons of subtleness, and i am sure this softwares will be able to give the user what so ever to FAKE human singing.
Emulating rooms mics and preamp is already achieved by far.

The day this machines emulate "love" this forum will be empty of messages.

Bydlo, you have voiced your opinion exactly 19 times in this thread. It’s clear how you feel. You’re not saying anything new, at this point you are just repeating yourself.

No. It was 19 last time, Now its 20.
I will continue ruining your dream thread and reminding you this is rubbish.
And it is not a repetition if you read carefully but you wasted your time throlling me.

I was answering to what you said that you need to sing in a different way in order to be able to make the program to render a usable version of the AI vocal. I asnwered you that in the future you would be able to tweak the things that you can't now due to your limitations of singing.

I used to play in an orchestra, but didn't enjoy the lifestyle.

There are tons of people making a living without music labels, I know several.

Of course there is a difference between pop and an orchestra. But you still didn't say what good music is, or what fast cheap music is. And instead of finding good definitions, you are cordial as always.

Answering your post.
I will use good examples of both eras:

Frank Sinatra version of Old Man River (1946) with orchestra and choir.

Compare it to:

Porcelain by Moby in 2000.

While Porcelain being a great hit song, it is the sign of its time, is the aesthetic of the costs reduction: a single guy in front of his computer reusing music played by others but reversed (the strings), and extremely simple piano lick (more complex would be unplayable for the producer's skills), a vocal line made to fit the very very limited vocal range of the producer. A de-humanized drum loop.
Is undeniable that is faster and cheaper to do a song like that.
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Anyway is great that both genre exists, i like electronic music specially from the 80s, the problem is that it doesnt happen. The first genre which requires far more skills, workers, arrangers, is dead, and cant be reproduced now, you can only hear it in an album or a youtube video. It is far more expensive than what the market demmand is willing to pay for.

I thank whoever for paying a guy like John Williams to compose the music he did and hiring and orchestra to record and play it.
I am using the orchestra example because it requires many human beings but it can be applied to rock bands too, or jazz ensambles or whatever need human attention and care.

Frank's performance i am referring to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTnw...l=WayfarerGirl