Replicate 8 X Waves NLS Bus in series ?

registerwithfb 🎙️ · 16th January 2024

Hi

Jaycen Joshua uses this trick he got from a producer, using 8 instances of NLS BUS from WAVES. The settings :

Mike
Nevo
Spike
Mike
Nevo
Spike
Mike
Nevo

All set to 0.5db.

It does sound cool, but i'm wondering if there isn't a simple way to replicate this with a single plugin ? I've tried a few and tried to match with a test tone + analyzer + my ears, but couldn't get similar results.

Thanks

Mikael B · 17th January 2024

Quote:

Originally Posted by registerwithfb ➡️

Hi

Jaycen Joshua uses this trick he got from a producer, using 8 instances of NLS BUS from WAVES. The settings :

Mike
Nevo
Spike
Mike
Nevo
Spike
Mike
Nevo

All set to 0.5db.

It does sound cool, but i'm wondering if there isn't a simple way to replicate this with a single plugin ? I've tried a few and tried to match with a test tone + analyzer + my ears, but couldn't get similar results.

Thanks

Sounds like a recipe for massive aliasing. You could check out AirWindows Console7Crunch or Console7Cascade if you want it heavy. If it's something else, AirWindows have plenty of console plug-ins, that actually sound quite interesting. It does take sometime deciding which ones you like though.

What is it you like with this setup not available using channel and buss plug-ins as designed? You call it "this". Hardly specific.

ZenMaster · 17th January 2024

Quote:

Originally Posted by registerwithfb ➡️

Hi

Jaycen Joshua uses this trick he got from a producer, using 8 instances of NLS BUS from WAVES. The settings :

Mike
Nevo
Spike
Mike
Nevo
Spike
Mike
Nevo

All set to 0.5db.

It does sound cool, but i'm wondering if there isn't a simple way to replicate this with a single plugin ? I've tried a few and tried to match with a test tone + analyzer + my ears, but couldn't get similar results.

Thanks

Hi! I also heard of this somewhere.. Do you know what level one should hit this chain with?

Deleted 8b91e65 · 17th January 2024

JJ is a great mixer but this is such a n00b thing to do.

Mikael B · 17th January 2024

Found this video from Beat Spot hopefully explaining this processing:

Mikael B · 17th January 2024

So after having watched this I remain sceptical to this alleged "Jaycen Joshua" approach. What haven't been explained yet is what the advantage is supposed to be according to Joshua.

Also, interesting Beat Spot suggests the AirWindows plug-ins I suggested. Note, that at least the Console7 series work with channel encoders and buss decoders. While abuse is one way to find new great sounds; if it sounds good it does; that's still the suggested structure in the design behind many (though not all) console plug-ins.

Mikael B · 17th January 2024

Here's the official Jaycen Joshua NLS Drum Buss for this setup in StudioRack.

Quote:

"…the NLS Buss chain that Jaycen Joshua uses at the beginning of his drum buss to give him the analog warmth of working on an SSL board. Keep in mind that he does use other processing after this chain on his drum buss including compression and saturation."

(My embolden)

No further explanation given. If this came from "a[nother] producer" as suggested by @ registerwithfb , then it would now seem Joshua is taking full credit for it, or alternatively Waves saw it fit to credit him.

registerwithfb 🎙️ · 18th January 2024

I just like the sound of this chain and i don't care about aliasing.

I too thought this was silly but i haven't found any plugin that sounds the same, and i've tried a lot. I've been using plugin doctor to watch the harmonics frequency response.

Seems like Jaycen will soon release a plugin that will replace this chain, but there's no date.

I now use Studio Rack to create this chain, it's easier for sure.

lllubi · 1st February 2024

Quote:

Originally Posted by registerwithfb ➡️

Seems like Jaycen will soon release a plugin that will replace this chain, but there's no date.

Was this announced?

abell1234 · 3rd February 2024

I’ve tried this out of curiosity because it seems so absurd but damn it does punch the drum bus nice in the right situation.

Mikael B · 3rd February 2024

Quote:

Originally Posted by abell1234 ➡️

I’ve tried this out of curiosity because it seems so absurd but damn it does punch the drum bus nice in the right situation.

Yeah, but don't hundreds of other methods punch just as well? Assuming "it" here means the Jaycen Joshua NLS Drum Buss.

abell1234 · 3rd February 2024

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael B ➡️

Yeah, but don't hundreds of other methods punch just as well? Assuming "it" here means the Jaycen Joshua NLS Drum Buss.

I’m sure they do. I just tried the jj drum bus thing out of curiosity. Two things struck me when I tried it
1. the perceived bump in volume. Felt like 2ish db louder to me but zero increase on the meter.
2. I was expecting so many instances of nls to sound very muddy but it did not.

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