Originally Posted by stixstudios ➡️

Thanks for the info Kire.

What year Mac are you using?

Originally Posted by MaartenWLierop ➡️

Hi!

with a brand new MacBook on my hands, I finally have bought a Steinberg UR44C as replacement for my N12. I still have to decide wether I will totally abandon my N12 (feels painful) or use the UR44C as an interface between N12 and my MacBook. It will arrive tomorrow, and I'm wondering a few things:

1) can de DAW control section be used on new macOS Catalina? with the hardware MIDI cables maybe? in other words: Could it work without the 32bit driver?

2) how do the pre-amps of the N12 (older) compare to the (cheaper?) pre-amps of the UR44c? Does anyone know?

thanks (btw: never experienced any kernel panics on my MacBook 2014)

Originally Posted by stixstudios ➡️

So the n12 has 6 outs.

These are derived from the 5.1 surround outs. Is this true?

So the only way to "insert" some hardware into the chain, meaning to go out from my DAW to 2 channels, for instance (C) LS/RS then through my hardware effects then back into, lets say channels 9/10 and record that.

Initially I thought that I could come out through the Aux, but this doesn't work.

OR have I missed something obvious?

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Cyril Markwardt ➡️

I have owned the n12 for several years and have some questions which i have never seen specifically resolved in the many pages both here and elsewhere. This is probably because only Yamaha or Steinberg would know, and maybe they don't like to divulge some of the secret sauce, even if the product is 10 years old.
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1. Are the EQ's modelled on any particular desk?- i see lots of "vintage 70's " type answers but nothing specific. Is it in fact, the Type II Eq algo or maybe the VCM Pultec clone on the 01v96?

2. REV-X reverb. Can the later MR816 plugin be tweaked to recognise the N12, possibly offering some more parameters for the Reverb?

3. Sweet Spot Preset/guts detailed info. I have seen another few questions about this but the answers are as vague as Yamaha's 1 page info from their old download section. Not even sure if it is still available. Basically all the presets give you some idea of their function but some, esp the later ones on the list give you no idea about how they change when using the morph control, or even what kind of compressor they might be. Soft or Hard, VCM or stock 01v etc channel compressor. Anyone with both units care to comment?

4. Can the bass management be disabled in some driver or diagnostic routine? I sure would like to have 6 FR outs from the n12. I know the mr816 has these but still..

5. In Cubase 5, when you press the Hardware Mix button (and others) on the DAW Remote Control section, cubase registers this with a MIDI spike on the Transport indicating a message. If you try to record or monitor this it doesn't show up, in fact the record track disappears as if there was no message. I know that this is likely ignored by cubase's record section as it is metadata for the N12 Remote, but as the Hardware Mix button is asking for a particular config change re channels in cubase I thought it might be interesting to intercept this message and change its function to alter the exact channels or other config to suit different setups or situations. As it is Hardware Mix function is nice but limits you to that global preset function. Are there scripts running in Cubase 5 that i can break into in order to look under the hood?

Originally Posted by Arseny ➡️

A friend of mine just bought a N12 for recording drums. Has anybody recorded drums with N12?

For which drum element would you bypass the internal preamps and use some external preamp? Would a stereo neve clone add something to the overheads?

Originally Posted by Cyril Markwardt ➡️

I think the Mixer preamps are too slow to present a precise transient response. This can result in a spongy feel to drums. If you have to use the internals for percussion - I'd say maybe the snare and the overheads were the priority to bypass

Originally Posted by Arseny ➡️

thanks.
which preamps would you recommend for this purpose?

Originally Posted by Cyril Markwardt ➡️

Hmm.
I would avoid any slow slew rate pre's with the same design- i forget what the design is called- probably to do with the opamps or feedback design of the circuit. a lot of 70's 80's designs are similar in semi pro desks.
However, seeing as Yamaha advertised the desk as having a British sound, it would seem odd to want to use one and not use them lol. They're not wrong. I found that the design did not stack very well when tracking and I had to resort to post-recording tricks to try and restore transients.
That said, recording with a fast slew rate pre can also be the cause of other troubles with peaks and so is often paired with a fast limiter which can add to the cost (and the characteristics of the limiter will then determine the actual transient) If you record the drum at a sensible level at 24 bit you can always tame the peaks afterwards if required which is easier than adding stuff that isn't there. Without a limiter, If you are old enough to remember always recording at 16 bit then then the same rules of headroom will apply. Ironic! Also, the Yamaha doesn't like loud signal peaks. You need to run the inputs lower than you'd think. It will still sound ok if it's comfortably above the noise floor but quite low at 24 bit
If you have the cash and need more than 2 channels- the API 3124+ would be a great choice (or API clones) If you don't, and only need 2 then maybe an FMR RNP or two could work nicely. I hear good things about the Dave Hill Europa 1, Presonus ADL 600(variable slew rate).
The most important thing is to have the flexibility to choose the right tool for the job at source. Maybe only 1 channel is what you need.
I'm not too up to date on the latest mic pre's so maybe starting a topic on fast slew pre's on GS is what you'd benefit from getting some fresh feedback on. hope this helps

Originally Posted by cabooter ➡️

As I said I still work with the N12.
Using Windows 10 20H2 and Cubase 11.
But I also have my old Cubase 5-32bit installed on the same PC and that alsol works as it should.
I sometimes use it to load an old project which was made with C5.
I never have used 5.1 surround.

Originally Posted by Gam_e_oveR ➡️

Hi, is there any official info on the Catalina FW Driver development? I mean, at least saying they will not release one at all (forced 64bits and all)?

I'd love to hear some input on this.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by kire ➡️

It will not be updated for Catalina, end of life
See for example https://www.facebook.com/Steinberg/p...6820378271045/

Originally Posted by kire ➡️

It will not be updated for Catalina, end of life
See for example https://www.facebook.com/Steinberg/p...6820378271045/

Originally Posted by Gam_e_oveR ➡️

Thank you so much for that link Kire.

It's really sad to hear they officially dropped the 64bit driver development though, it would have given the product a new life.. I really enjoy working with the N12, but it's (or soon will be) complicated to keep it running with no modern support.

I guess I'll keep my Mojave running for a little longer

Originally Posted by kire ➡️

Yes, me too, I've kept Mojave on a laptop. And I bought a firewire-card for an older but still good Windows 10 machine, it's still working fine for me there but I see on the Steinberg forum that others have started to get problems also on Windows 10 (that driver is also not supported). I wish Steinberg/Yamaha could release the drivers as open source. It's very sad to have to throw away such nice hardware because of lack of software support.

Originally Posted by St. Alphonzo ➡️

I have an issue when trying to use the N12 - it doesn't work properly when receiving tracks from Logic for mixing.

Using Logic Pro 9, I set the send output that I would like to feed to the N12 on each track that I want to mix (e.g., Mono Out 1 - Kick to N12 channel 1, Mono Out 2 - Snare to N12 channel 2, Mono Out 3- Bass to N12 channel 3, etc.). But when I throw the faders up on the corresonding channels on the N12 I get nothing! Yes I can hear the Logic stereo mix on the n12, but I can't mix individual tracks.

I started messing with the outputs in Logic and found that when I set a channel to Mono Out 7 it corresponds to N12 channel 1, Mono Out 8 corresponds to N12 channel 2, etc. Is there a setting in Logic that I've overlooked (I've been through everything in the settings and preferences)? I have the newest firmware installed on the N12 and I've got the latest TOOLS download for my Mac. Has anyone ever dealt with this issue? Is this a problem with Logic or with the N12?

Thanks