Please, not those awful (IMO) pointless almost unadjustable mono summed send FX from the Odyssey. Skip that clunky 8 button sequencer too. But yes to a full-sized Pro 1.

True that, but while some companies have released a few really nice monos and polys in the last couple of years, I have to believe that development and release really takes its toll on the manufacturers sometimes and they need to take a breath. Once they've regrouped they can tackle the next big things and I am sure that there are plenty of those coming in the next few years.

In the meantime, I can spend more time with my current gear to really understand how it works and what its capabilities are.

The Pro-1 definitely seems to be off the books: for example, whilst the other B monos are all in stock, this is what I saw at Thomann today (UK).

Andertons showing 3 in stock for delivery in two days. Gear4Music have 20+ for next day delivery and so does Behringer's Amazon store.

Really weird. Amazon flip-flops for me, sometimes shows it in stock, sometimes not. Amusingly they have 1 left at £399 (!!!) and then a load in stock at £244 at the moment. I wonder what's happened at Thomann…

Not sure what the deal with Thomann is, but they've had spats with Behringer in the past. Might be related, might not.

Thankfully, other suppliers are available. I'd rather choose UK sellers anyway. Bought most of my gear from Gear4Music and Andertons, and some from PMT B'ham and FairDealMusic when the prices are right. Those last two are easy driving distance for me. Both of them have moved to new premises in the last couple of years or so. PMT's old place was a rather interesting cave, but the new one is a swish looking industrial unit.

I've bought gear from Behringer's Amazon shop before and tracking showed it coming from "somewhere in the EU". Can't remember where from. Only took 3 days and I didn't get stiffed for import duties.

Ok, the Pro-1 was not in the catalogue a few weeks back when I posted, now it's in, although signalling that's out of stock. This is a change, which may be significant.

Since Thomann is a super-partner, they might have more info on what goes on at Behringer. This change may be related to a return to production or a plan to return to production as the parts supply is getting restored.

Did anybody mod their pro 1 with a small keyboard or some stand to use with keys?

I'm thinking about making some kind of permanent keys add on but can't find any other examples

Some did https://reverb.com/item/32705806-enc...o-1-neutron-k2

There quite a few variations in google

Thanks for the link, i hadn't found that.
Looks pretty sleek
It's a shame the midi in is at the front, that will mess up that sleek look a bit...

just ftr there is no spat between T and B

pro1 is just temporarily halted in mass production, it will continue asap, a big D style enclosure would still be very nice to see

Now that the expensive KB37 is gone, there are no real alternatives for an out-of-shelf integrated keyboard controller.

With its wide range of rackable desktop modules, it would make sense for Behringer to bring out a KB37 clone of sorts, where you could swap modules in and out as needed. It's a missed opportunity. Maybe when production lines are restored they could think of this. They have all the components already produced, it's just a matter of putting them together.

yep, but mini-keys... nonono

couldn't agree more

Google for arturia keystep berhinger pro-1 and go to images.

Midi is at the front only as long as you don't hold soldering iron is your hands.

Cheers!
Soldering iron present, but I'll wait a bit longer to deface my 4week old pro 1

True, but not a big problem on a mono machine.
Also in my overcrowded studio, a small keybed in the same width as the pro1 itself isn't such a bad thing

Looks like there's some movement now – the Thomann site says "In stock within 10–13 weeks", which is a better ETA than "several months" :-)

It will be interesting to see if they've made any changes to the Bill Of Materials as a result of the supply chain issues.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/behr...chip-shortages

Or perhaps the demand at the sale price at the end of last year just caught them by surprise? I know a lot of people that pulled the plug on a variety of small Behringer synths because of that dramatic price drop.

Did anyone successfully manage to downgrade/rollback the firmware update from 1.3.1?

I have opened a ticket on music tribe but seriously doubt i will get any help.
It should be possible, right?

I think I know how to do it. You need a couple of things. First you need to put the synth in Bootloader (DFU) mode. This can be done with a simple .SYX file (I got this idea from the TD-3 hackers):

F0 00 20 32 00 01 08 03 30 F7

If you send this then the synth will reboot in "DFU" mode. (If you want to verify that, start SynthTribe and it will see this as the Pro-1 in DFU). Now the fun part is sending an older firmware to the unit. Did you have a version in mind?

Note: to abandon DFU mode, turn the synth off and on.

I think the previous firmware version was 1.2.8 if not mistaken.
I can send the .SYX file to Pro1 with something like midiox? Via the usb-midi cable or straight via the usb from the pc?

The TD-3 guys probably knowbetter than me, but I would hook up the PRO-1 via it's USB cable, then use MIDI-OX (though I prefer SendSX by far). Send those bytes via Sys Ex and the Pro-1 will reboot in DFU (bootloader) mode. I think at this point the USB-connected software will disconnect because of that reboot.

If you then close MIDI-OX or SendSX, and run Synth Tribe, it should ID the PRO-1 in DFU mode. This is all just to confirm DFU mode. I'm guessing SynthTribe will ask if you want to update to the latest firmware. I'm not home so I can't verify that.

Again, if you want to get out of DFU, just power-cycle the synth. You should be able to repeat this exercise.

Cool. Finally some real info. The last step would be how to obtain the previous firmware, or will this process reset it to the factory firmware?

Yes, this is where it gets fun. If memory serves you can reflash the lastest firmware by just continuing on with SynthTribe, from where the previous post left off.

New (OK, "old" or "other") firmware will require a standalone .SYX file and as far as I know it will have to be done slowly and carefully using MIDIOX or SendSX. Again, this is following the path established by the TD-3 pioneers.

Is there some particular version/feature you are looking for?

The only reason i want to downgrade back to 1.2.8 is because i "think" the 1.3.1 introduced clicky envelopes on the low notes, fastest attack and short decay/sustain, both on 2 and cutoff on 1.
Typical early 90s edm bass for example. But only when playing very slow. But always on the first note.
Messing with the attack and release changes the overall sound. The reason i say think is because i can not recall having this behavior prior to the update, but maybe somebody can correct me and tell me this was noticeable before.


A bit confused though. So you are saying the .SYX will revert back to the factory firmware or do i need to obtain the 1.2.8 firmware?
And where would i get it?

I need to try it. I think SynthTribe will just (re-)load the latest software. I don't think you can use it for older versions. Having said that, the TD-3 folks have taken older .syx firmware files and reflashed older OS's into their TD-3's using MIDIOX or SendSX or whatever.

A couple of thoughts ...

If one isn't using SynthTribe, then I don't think you are stuck using the USB cable and any MIDI interface to 5-pin DIN MIDI would work too. That's a guess at this point though.

Knowing how (MIDI) reflashing works in general, there will be a series of F0...F7 data packets. After *some* of them the synth will burn the received data to flash. This takes time (not sure, but guessing 10's or milliseconds). Problem is, we don't know after which packets the burn phase happens. So, we need to delay the download after every F7 to be save. MIDIOX has a setting for this:
Sysex -> Configure -> Delay After F7 : 100ms (a guess)

Finally, elsewhere I have read that SynthTribe loads .syx files from a Behringer server somewhere and they are stored locally/secretly on a PC during a synth firmware update. I have not been able to verify that, but there are firmware files out in the ether, so someone got there hands on them somehow.

Thank you for the extensive information.
I may try this. It would also be cool if someone did this and posted a video on YT, just for future references since i bet there are quite a few people who would want to downgrade their firmware.

There is a 37-key MIDI controller that has been traditionally parted out to replace the OG SCI Pro-One's keybed. I wonder if a working one might be useful here:

Novation ReMote 37SL MIDI Interface
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185269092067

It's probably bigger than most people want though...

I've got no output from the main audio out jack at the back but the headphone on top jack is working fine.

Anyone have any idea what's wrong with my Pro One?