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Old 27th January 2022 | Show parent
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I might be a little late to the party but here is my contribution. I struggled with the bass tone on this one. Let me know what you think folks. Thanks!
Bass, assuming you mean the 4k fizz? - I'm no expert, but try a massive fairly narrow cut at 4.2K then a small boost just below that to bring back a bit of life. I used Nova (free edition) for the cut with a fast attack and high ratio to catch the fizzy aggressive hits without entirely cutting out that frequency, but you could just cut it out with a narrow eq.

If anyone tackled that in a different way, do please spill the beans, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Old 27th January 2022 | Show parent
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Gosh, people are so emotionally delicate and fragile these days. Ok.

What you need to do is...

1. Turn down that drum reverb.
2. Undo that snare boost around 1000k or maybe you pitched it I don't know.
3. Turn down vocal reverb or echo or whatever it is you're using
4. Turn down bass.

It would also be better if you...

5. Turn down the clavinet everywhere. Especially in the break.
6. Brighten pre-break female chorus part
7. Turn down roaring halloween sound.

That way mix will at least become even and cohesive.
Now that is helpful, thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I'm neither emotionally delicate or fragile, I'm a bit old for that at 62, I was just trying to get some feedback that's actually useful and help you to stop rubbing everyone up the wrong way and that's why I'm still chatting with you. I already knew my mix was sub-par so telling me that complete with and emojis only serves one purpose which is to demonstrate that you know how to be an arse.

Peace.
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Originally Posted by acctx ➡️
Adding reverb and delay to the whole mix is not how to make a mix sound good.
Excuse me?
There are three different reverbs, none on whole mix. Delay's only on one of the sinth tracks.
Old 27th January 2022 | Show parent
  #124
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Excuse me?
There are three different reverbs, none on whole mix. Delay's only on one of the sinth tracks.
I like reverb and I liked your mix. Reverb is a constant source of disagreement.

I can understand the view that this track isn't helped with too much reverb or that it can be there but not heard, or some subtle echo might be less cluttering. I used too much, I can see that now - I think a general rule (if there is one) is that the more busy and rocky/funky a track is the less reverb you can get away with without just mushing everything up?

IDK, these are not opinions, just putting it up for discussion.
Old 27th January 2022 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Zed999 ➡️
I like reverb and I liked your mix. Reverb is a constant source of disagreement.

I can understand the view that this track isn't helped with too much reverb or that it can be there but not heard, or some subtle echo might be less cluttering. I used too much, I can see that now - I think a general rule (if there is one) is that the more busy and rocky/funky a track is the less reverb you can get away with without just mushing everything up?

IDK, these are not opinions, just putting it up for discussion.
Thank you, Zed!
I'm on mobile now, when I get back to my monitors I'll do some listening.
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Now that is helpful, thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I'm neither emotionally delicate or fragile, I'm a bit old for that at 62, I was just trying to get some feedback that's actually useful and help you to stop rubbing everyone up the wrong way and that's why I'm still chatting with you. I already knew my mix was sub-par so telling me that complete with and emojis only serves one purpose which is to demonstrate that you know how to be an arse.

Peace.
Hopefully a helpful arse.

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Excuse me?
There are three different reverbs, none on whole mix. Delay's only on one of the sinth tracks.
TOO MUCH AMBIENCE in your mix. Just turn it down.

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Originally Posted by Zed999 ➡️
I like reverb and I liked your mix. Reverb is a constant source of disagreement.

I can understand the view that this track isn't helped with too much reverb or that it can be there but not heard, or some subtle echo might be less cluttering. I used too much, I can see that now - I think a general rule (if there is one) is that the more busy and rocky/funky a track is the less reverb you can get away with without just mushing everything up?

IDK, these are not opinions, just putting it up for discussion.
Too much ambience (reverb/delay) is one of the telltale signs of amateur "mix". There's not much disagreement, if you want your mix to sound amateur keep it, but if you're looking to elevate your mixes you have to learn to use it properly and tastefully. It's not ambient music where it's on everything.
Old 27th January 2022
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I wanted reverb on the backing vocals for sure
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Originally Posted by acctx ➡️

TOO MUCH AMBIENCE in your mix. Just turn it down.
No, Mr. Audio Forensics, that's not how it goes.

First you take back what you said or I'll call you a liar. Or idiot - depends on my mood. You do that, then we'll talk about where did I cut, where did I boost, where did I saturate and where did I de-ess. And by how much.
That's how it goes.

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  #129
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Hopefully a helpful arse.
You are now and I welcome your comments.

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Originally Posted by acctx ➡️
Too much ambience (reverb/delay) is one of the telltale signs of amateur "mix". There's not much disagreement, if you want your mix to sound amateur keep it, but if you're looking to elevate your mixes you have to learn to use it properly and tastefully. It's not ambient music where it's on everything.
Truth right there - speaking as an amateur it's an easy way to give an impression that everything is in one place or "glued" when all else fails. On your own mix, right from the start it has some kind of stereo-ness for want of a better word. How did you do that?
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  #130
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Again Swuori, like in "Mix this 1", very solid job. And again I say I like those who obviously takes each element of the mix and make it "their own", creating a soundstage that has personality. Nice delay fx.

I don't know if you read my comment about leaving out the police radio at the very end, but you did, and you're the first, and it's good.

Thanks.
Thanks, Ben. I saw your comment, and I felt same.
Old 27th January 2022
  #131
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After listening to most of the mixes in the thread, here is my third attempt. I still have some learning to do, so it isn't up to par with most mixes posted here. Great job everyone!

I've learned a lot by just comparing mixes while working on improvements. This has been great. Thanks to everyone involved! Hopefully this is something that happens more often.
Attached Files

mascara_mix_apeuprise_3b_2_01.mp3 (8.92 MB, 13 views)


Last edited by apeuprise; 5th February 2022 at 09:39 AM.. Reason: Checked mix on headphones; learned more
Old 27th January 2022 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Sabovic Adis ➡️
No, Mr. Audio Forensics, that's not how it goes.

First you take back what you said or I'll call you a liar. Or idiot - depends on my mood. You do that, then we'll talk about where did I cut, where did I boost, where did I saturate and where did I de-ess. And by how much.
That's how it goes.
I didn't mean literally you (or anyone) have reverb on the master buss. I started track and there's reverb on bass and then on drums. I stopped listening at that point because the mix sounded drenched in it.

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You are now and I welcome your comments.


Truth right there - speaking as an amateur it's an easy way to give an impression that everything is in one place or "glued" when all else fails. On your own mix, right from the start it has some kind of stereo-ness for want of a better word. How did you do that?
A little reverb plus slap delay with muted one side I think.
Old 28th January 2022 | Show parent
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I didn't mean literally you (or anyone) have reverb on the master buss. I started track and there's reverb on bass and then on drums. I stopped listening at that point because the mix sounded drenched in it.

Old 28th January 2022 | Show parent
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Wonderful mix! Reminds me of my own
Thanks.
Thank you! It was fun. These threads have been great. Got anymore?
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Thank you! It was fun. These threads have been great. Got anymore?
I have lots.
But I'm not shure.
Two reasons:
1. Moderators decided to move "Mix this 1" to this "Mix-offs" subforum that very few ever visit, and subsequently I created "Mix this 2" here as well. I think most of those who participated accidentally found the thread via 'Today's posts'.
2. (Perhaps as a consequence of 1) most of those who participated clearly was not very knowledgable, and were more bedroom producers playing around with software and plugins as toys. I mean the person who offered most mix feedback here, said he had used his phone to judge the mix in question, and obviously didn't see any problem with that. If only we had had some participation from some pros.
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Originally Posted by Ben Jenssen ➡️
I have lots.
But I'm not shure.
Two reasons:
1. Moderators decided to move "Mix this 1" to this "Mix-offs" subforum that very few ever visit, and subsequently I created "Mix this 2" here as well. I think most of those who participated accidentally found the thread via 'Today's posts'.
2. (Perhaps as a consequence of 1) most of those who participated clearly was not very knowledgable, and were more bedroom producers playing around with software and plugins as toys. I mean the person who offered most mix feedback here, said he had used his phone to judge the mix in question, and obviously didn't see any problem with that. If only we had had some participation from some pros.
I really enjoyed both of these "Mix This" threads, but I don't think either of them had a real chance of attracting pro involvement. What's in it for them? They don't need the mix practice, there is no real payoff, and providing real feedback on mixes can result in people's egos getting bruised. I've been following because I'm not a pro, and comparing my mix to others is helpful for me as I develop. There is both science and art in mixing - I'm very happy you provided a platform for us to compare and contrast on both fronts.
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I really enjoyed both of these "Mix This" threads, but I don't think either of them had a real chance of attracting pro involvement. What's in it for them? They don't need the mix practice, there is no real payoff, and providing real feedback on mixes can result in people's egos getting bruised. I've been following because I'm not a pro, and comparing my mix to others is helpful for me as I develop. There is both science and art in mixing - I'm very happy you provided a platform for us to compare and contrast on both fronts.
I agree. They have better things to do with their time.
But I'm shure if we'd found a format for this that was more orderly and civilized, perhaps more strictly moderated, there would be also pros who would enjoy participating just to help newbies and discuss their trade. I know such forums exist.
Old 29th January 2022 | Show parent
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. I mean the person who offered most mix feedback here, said he had used his phone to judge the mix in question, and obviously didn't see any problem with that.
Phone is the Auratone of the 21st century, that's what everyone listens to your music on, buddy. You've been living under a rock for way too long.
Old 29th January 2022
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Your audience here at gearslutz is not pros, generally. I’ve worked in real studios, I’ve released music, I’ve made money through royalties. But I don’t do this for a living.
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Phone is the Auratone of the 21st century, that's what everyone listens to your music on, buddy. You've been living under a rock for way too long.
https://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html

How about you crawl back under your rock before I choke you again?
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https://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html

How about you crawl back under your rock before I choke you again?
This kind of childish response/bad atmosphere is not going encourage anyone reading to join in these things or set one up is it?
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This kind of childish response/bad atmosphere is not going encourage anyone reading to join in these things or set one up is it?
How fair is it to single out one childish response among so many?
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Originally Posted by Ben Jenssen ➡️
I have lots.
But I'm not shure.
Two reasons:
1. Moderators decided to move "Mix this 1" to this "Mix-offs" subforum that very few ever visit, and subsequently I created "Mix this 2" here as well. I think most of those who participated accidentally found the thread via 'Today's posts'.
2. (Perhaps as a consequence of 1) most of those who participated clearly was not very knowledgable, and were more bedroom producers playing around with software and plugins as toys. I mean the person who offered most mix feedback here, said he had used his phone to judge the mix in question, and obviously didn't see any problem with that. If only we had had some participation from some pros.
Yeah unfortunately this thread hasn't encouraged more inputs or feedback. Well whatever happens I've enjoyed it.
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How fair is it to single out one childish response among so many?
Sigh, you're right but I put some effort into cajoling the main (only) "offender" into being quite helpful in the end so seeing others still jabbing at him... one step forward, two steps back!

I'd like to see more of these and if the bickering continues I doubt there will be any. It's time to grow some and...

Old 30th January 2022 | Show parent
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I really enjoyed both of these "Mix This" threads, but I don't think either of them had a real chance of attracting pro involvement. What's in it for them? They don't need the mix practice, there is no real payoff, and providing real feedback on mixes can result in people's egos getting bruised. I've been following because I'm not a pro, and comparing my mix to others is helpful for me as I develop. There is both science and art in mixing - I'm very happy you provided a platform for us to compare and contrast on both fronts.
Well…you might not like my mix, but I think I do qualify as a pro. I just saw this thread last night and I’m not here too often.

We had a blizzard on the east coast and I had a break between projects, so this seemed like a fun way to spend an afternoon. It’s an old-school console mix with outboard. I did it on my Neve 62 channel BTC console. Most of the eq and compression is from the board. The mix bus goes to an external Neve compressor into a NSEQ-2 into a Burl B2 back into Pro Tools.

I spent about one hour working on minor time and pitch issues, then about four hours mixing. It is my default setup, so it went quickly. Still, it’s about half the time I would normally take on a similar project, but I need to shovel more snow!

Well I'm getting a server error when I attach my mp3. I may try later.
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Well…you might not like my mix, but I think I do qualify as a pro. I just saw this thread last night and I’m not here too often.

We had a blizzard on the east coast and I had a break between projects, so this seemed like a fun way to spend an afternoon. It’s an old-school console mix with outboard. I did it on my Neve 62 channel BTC console. Most of the eq and compression is from the board. The mix bus goes to an external Neve compressor into a NSEQ-2 into a Burl B2 back into Pro Tools.

I spent about one hour working on minor time and pitch issues, then about four hours mixing. It is my default setup, so it went quickly. Still, it’s about half the time I would normally take on a similar project, but I need to shovel more snow!
I'm dying to hear!
Please try and post your mix again.
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I'm still getting a server error. It's a 9.5 MB mp3 that is failing. I will try again tomorrow.

Last edited by 100below; 30th January 2022 at 06:05 AM..
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It's probably too large. What settings did you encode with? Mine was 8.7Mb if I remember correctly, at 320/44. Please reencode if yours is much higher and try again.
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It's probably too large. What settings did you encode with? Mine was 8.7Mb if I remember correctly, at 320/44. Please reencode if yours is much higher and try again.
Not size. It is 320/44. I took a screenshot of the error message which is only 28k and tried to post that as an attachment, and it failed as well. I just turned off my firewall and tried again. I'm getting the same error.
You Send IT, We Transfer and Google Drive are all still working for me.
There is nothing special about my version and soon I will have spent more time uploading than mixing! I need to get bak to commercial work, but I will try again later.

Here is part of the error:

<html> <head> <title>Gearspace.com</title> <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0"> </head> <body style="background:#38407a;color:#fff;font-family:verdana;padding:10px;"> <img src="data:image/png;base64,=" style="width:400px;"> <br /><br /> Sorry, something went wrong. Please try again later. <br /><br /> <div class="cf-error-details cf-error-502"> <h1>Bad gateway</h1> <p>The web server reported a bad gateway error.</p> <ul> <li>Ray ID: 6d5b9e07f93a8cc6</li> <li>Your IP address: (REMOVED BY ME)</li> <li>Error reference number: 502</li> <li>Cloudflare Location: Newark</li> </ul> </div> </body> </html>
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I've attached the mix from user 100below at his request and with his permission. He emailed the file directly to me and I uploaded it unmodified. Enjoy!
Same thing happens as when he tried to post it the first time. Click on 'play', nothing happens.

I tried to download by right-click on the link. A file is downloaded, it's 0kb, and nothing happens when I click it.

Did you get it to play?
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