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Old 7th October 2012
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To be fair, this is The Moan Zone.
That doesn't excuse any behavior IMO.

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It's so much funnier when you have to explain it.
If you say so.
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  #243
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That doesn't excuse any behavior IMO.
Correct me if I'm wrong. The topic of the thread is where did Jim William's posts go.

We're trying to figure out why he left and debating what "abuse" he may have taken to warrant him leaving.

Quite a few posters are claiming that Jim was treated unfairly or alluding to that and I'd like to know why. As I was one of the posters that took him to task. I still think him leaving had nothing to do with me but I am curious about what people think about how we need to treat each other so that valued members don't leave the forum.

It's probably petty but if we can't figure out why this happened in the first place, we can't really do better in the future.

And if Jim requires an apology in order to return, then I'm sure many of us would welcome that.
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If you say so.
I would have put a in my last post so that you'd note the sarcasm but some people think I use that as an excuse to be mean to people and say "just kidding" at the same time.
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The issue isn't of 'what', but of 'how'.

The topic is fine. The lack of tact, however...

It's not specific to you, btw.

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and then you subsequently reported him.

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Now you're just being dishonest.
That's what you wrote.
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This might be (partially) my fault.

I reported Jim for his part in this thread
Are you saying now that you didn't report him as you've already admitted to. Please explain how my statement was in anyway dishonest?.

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I am not in a position of authority. I was talking about a reprimand from a Moderator.
You clearly would not have reported him unless you wanted him reprimanded.

Actually I'm done. ... as it's been fun and I can see now that you can only see yourself as being in the right and you are an expert at spin. Spin away...
Old 7th October 2012
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Jim did a LOT of very usefull posts and helped with his knowledge ! I hope he's not gone.
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The issue isn't of 'what', but of 'how'.

The topic is fine. The lack of tact, however...

It's not specific to you, btw.
Understood.
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That's what you wrote.

Are you saying now that you didn't report him as you've already admitted to. Please explain how my statement was in anyway dishonest?.

You clearly would not have reported him unless you wanted him reprimanded.

I can see now that you can only see yourself as being in the right and you are an expert at spin.
I have said this many times. Let's see just how many. Shall we?

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Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia ➡️
This might be (partially) my fault.

I reported Jim for his part in this thread:

I didn't ask for anything to be deleted. I asked if it could be split off so that the "announcement" of the Neve 5088 didn't have to be about Jim thinking that the console was over-priced and that engineers have no need for it.
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Dude. No one decided that this place was better off without him.

I asked that the thread be split. Nothing deleted. Just two threads instead of one.
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It is possible to ask the mods to split a thread without also expecting Jim to run away with his posts in hand?
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This is the part where I say for the zillionth time that I didn't report that thread for deletion. Just asked for it to be split.
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All we have is Slippy's post and my recommendation that a thread be re-organized.(split)
So…

How was I asking Jim to be "reprimanded"?
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  #250
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Why are you guys fighting? Perhaps that's why Jim left in the first place.
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For me this has a lot to do with respect.
I respect older and experienced people regardsless if I agree with them.

History tells us it is wise to listen to older generations.
I personally think that is a smart idea.
But I am old school so..

And Kenny I see you are watching this thread as I write.
What is your beef here really?
Are you just hungry for speaking truth and see real justice?
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For me this has a lot to do with respect.
I respect older and experienced people regardsless if I agree with them.

History tells us it is wise to listen to older generations.
I personally think that is a smart idea.
But I am old school so..
Respect is earned. A random old person off the street is just as likely to spit in your face as a random young person.

Jim has the criteria to be respected, and whether you did or not depended on your own personal perspective.
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Respect is earned. A random old person off the street is just as likely to spit in your face as a random young person.

Jim has the criteria to be respected, and whether you did or not depended on your own personal perspective.
Actually this is my whole point.
You say age had nothing to do with wisdom.
I mean it does.
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  #254
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Actually this is my whole point.
You say age had nothing to do with wisdom.
I mean it does.
Whether someone is wise or not depends on your own personal perspective, and I always thought Jim was wise. I just hope he's way too busy modding consoles to even bother with GS anymore....
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Exactly. Whether someone is wise or not depends on your own personal perspective, and I always thought Jim was wise. I just hope he's way too busy modding consoles to even bother with GS anymore....
Personal perspective maybe.
I just say I highly value experience and age.

I did not mean any offense by my statement.
Old 8th October 2012 | Show parent
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For me this has a lot to do with respect.
I respect older and experienced people regardsless if I agree with them.

History tells us it is wise to listen to older generations.
I personally think that is a smart idea.
But I am old school so..
Firstly, I have no idea how old Jim is. I'm sure he's not 23 but I have no idea if he's older or much older than me.

Secondly, people who are older and more respected (Bob O.) and who have been on this forum since the beginning don't make controversial or provocative statements unless they want the debate.

Case in point. A few weeks ago I said that the Shure SM7b sucks. I knew what I was doing. Yes. I do hate that mic. But I could keep it to myself or I could shout it on the forums if I want the debate.

Otherwise, why say it? So I can be an authority (I do have that 10 year sticker ) and not be questioned? I'm sorry. Jim knew better.

True, Some people do go over the line. And that's open for debate as well. But I do think someone who mods gear for a living should also think that quality matters and be prepared to defend that if they're going to say that a 50k console is a waste of money.

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And Kenny I see you are watching this thread as I write.
That feature might be misleading as I probably left that page open but had actually gone surfing. Yay

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What is your beef here really?
I don't think I have a beef. I enjoy debate and am generally curious what people find acceptable and unacceptable on a forum. I enjoy hypocrisy, like when someone says Jim can criticize Rupert Neve (Is Jim older than Rupert) but tells me I can't criticize his criticism. I find that hilarious.

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Are you just hungry for speaking truth and see real justice?
I do "seek" truth but I can't say that I always "speak" it.
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  #257
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Jim has the criteria to be respected, and whether you did or not depended on your own personal perspective.
And for the record, I do respect Jim. He's never modded anything for me but I have never heard one negative thing about the work he's done and hundreds of positive reviews. I would use him in a heartbeat.

But I separate respect and gear debate. I love Slippy (Slipperman) as one of the coolest people in this industry. The guy is just awesome. But I will call him out every time on his "never quantize to 100%" stance. I just disagree and enjoy the debate. It's only disrespectful if the target takes themselves too seriously (and many do) and feel that they need to be right by not being questioned. I treat people how I'd like to be treated. When I make inflammatory statements, I expect to be questioned or challenged.
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  #258
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To be fair, this is The Moan Zone.
If JW comes back, Jules can make him moderator of his own subforum: The Mod Squad.
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For me this has a lot to do with respect.
I respect older and experienced people regardsless if I agree with them.
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If JW comes back, Jules can make him moderator of his own subforum: The Mod Squad.
A splendid idea for for a subforum. Best thing that's been published on this thread yet.
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  #261
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What do you think of dbjp's right to say what he said?
Of course dbjp has the right to say that. I think he's just putting out of context words/motivations in JW's mouth/mind though. JW can vent all he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's a welcome alternative point of view, refreshingly unpopular. I don't take it as gospel but it's nice to hear it...
Old 8th October 2012
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If JW comes back, Jules can make him moderator of his own subforum: The Mod Squad.
But you have to prove Vespa ownership to be allowed to post.
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Of course dbjp has the right to say that. I think he's just putting out of context words/motivations in JW's mouth/mind though. JW can vent all he wants as far as I'm concerned. It's a welcome alternative point of view, refreshingly unpopular. I don't take it as gospel but it's nice to hear it...
Great. Someone finally answered this post which brings us to my point.

We all agree that Jim is and should be allowed to post his rantings. Right?

It's pretty obvious that my reporting that thread (to be split) probably had nothing to do with Jim leaving. Firstly, it was never split and secondly, none of his posts from that thread were deleted by a moderator. So it's safe to say that he was not reprimanded, banned or edited by a GS moderator. Right?

Someone claimed that the post made by "dbjp" may have pissed Jim off causing him to delete all of his posts and leave. Right?

And now we have you also saying that "dbjp" had the right to say what he/she said.

So…

What can we conclude? If everyone had the right to do what they did, who is at fault? What should have been done differently? How do we prevent this in the future? What should change?
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I would have put a in my last post so that you'd note the sarcasm but some people think I use that as an excuse to be mean to people and say "just kidding" at the same time.
... you you could, you know, mean what you say. Just a thought.
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... you you could, you know, mean what you say. Just a thought.
Great idea. Encourage grumpy rants but discourage humor.

Sounds like fun.

Oh wait. I'm doing it again.

Take two.

I don't think it's a great idea to remove humor while encouraging rants.

It doesn't sound like fun.

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Smile

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Yo, Kenny.

Maybe a little vacation?

Methinks someone needs to drive out to the Church of God and drop some peyote.

You're takin' all this **** WAYYYYYYYYy serious, dude.



May you find whatever it is your heart truly needs!

Cheers, man, and all the best.

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Yo, Kenny.

Maybe a little vacation?
Let's do it. Me. You. Maybe we can get Slippy and Jim to come as well.

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You're takin' all this **** WAYYYYYYYYy serious, dude.
Nah. Not at all. It's just a diversion. Some people watch DWTS or play Sudoku, I like to debate on the internet. To be honest, I spend half my time on forums just re-reading my posts so I can remember what I wrote and why people are reacting to me that way. It's fun and games.

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May you find whatever it is your heart truly needs!

Cheers, man, and all the best.

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You too. All the best.

XOXOXOXOX

kenny
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I don't think it's a great idea to remove humor while encouraging rants.
I agree. I'm just... waiting... for the humor to start.
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I agree. I'm just... waiting... for the humor to start.
Old 8th October 2012
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