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Old 12th November 2009
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auralex room analysis

has anyone used this service from auralex.com? I just dont want to be sucked in to some costly venture.. I DO need to pad my tiny studio, but at the cheapest cost possible.. Is this the way to go?
Old 12th November 2009
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I am sure the guys over there will do the best they can. Let them know your budget and stick to it. You can also get other advice from my company (GIK Acoustics: Room Setup), Ethans and compare which might be the best solution for you. Heck you can also build the stuff yourself.
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looking for the cheapest possible?

build your own 1st relflection and bass trap panels...all you need is wood, fabric, isulation and a staple gun...and a little patience..

auralex is overpriced and not that great....
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looking for the cheapest possible?

build your own 1st relflection and bass trap panels...all you need is wood, fabric, isulation and a staple gun...and a little patience..

auralex is overpriced and not that great....
lol. easy enough.. any wood? any fabric? pink insulation?.. the staple gun I think I can figure out
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looking for the cheapest possible?

build your own 1st relflection and bass trap panels...all you need is wood, fabric, isulation and a staple gun...and a little patience..
You started out real good here....

Quote:
auralex is overpriced and not that great....
And then went and blew it.......

Auralex is like any other company - they provide a product and service - and the value of that product/service is totally dependent on the satisfaction of their clients........

Whether it's Aualex, Real Traps or GIK (of which I know human beings in all threee involved in their developement of products - one I even tried [ to what small extent I could ] to help get off the ground) all 3 (along with a plethura of others) have a value in the marketplace.

If you don't like someones product and know a fact you feel should be passed along - then bring out the facts - but you shouldn't make blanket statements like the above without something to substantiate the claim.

Some people don't really care for autos manufactured by Mercedes... they believe them to be un-necessary and completely overpriced - they believe you pay an unfair amount of money for just the name alone - It happens that I am not one of those people........

That doesn't make me right and them wrong - it just says we view things differently in the market place - which is what makes a free market work in the first place.

Rod
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Some people don't really care for autos manufactured by Mercedes... they believe them to be un-necessary and completely overpriced - they believe you pay an unfair amount of money for just the name alone - It happens that I am not one of those people........


Rod
are you saying auralex is the mercedes of studio acoustics? lol
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Not going to speak for Rod, but from my own experience...

Foams just have less density than other commonly used products for treatment of low frequencies, e.g. bass traps. This being the case, if you need nominal bass trapping, then maybe the Auralex product line will satisfy your needs.

The same applies for things like early reflection points.

In the case of my mobile recording rig, because the walls allowed a lot of low frequency energy to escape the enclosure, they have proven to be most effective in giving me a flat, even, response.

However, the amount of trapping I need in another application required far more density, and thus, the Auralex product line was not as appropriate.

While not the cheapest in terms of cost, I weighed the aesthetic value in the case of my mobile studio, and deemed it a cost effective solution.

It really comes down to different strokes for different folks, and one should be aware of all of your options before making purchasing decisions.
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Foams just have less density than other commonly used products for treatment of low frequencies, e.g. bass traps. This being the case, if you need nominal bass trapping, then maybe the Auralex product line will satisfy your needs.
..........~.........
However, the amount of trapping I need in another application required far more density, and thus, the Auralex product line was not as appropriate.


Mullet, How tiny is your studio?

If you are getting any LF buildup then I'm sure you will probably need a couple Realtraps or GIK Bass Traps or Tri-Traps as well as the foams.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod Gervais ➑️
You started out real good here....



And then went and blew it.......

Auralex is like any other company - they provide a product and service - and the value of that product/service is totally dependent on the satisfaction of their clients........

Whether it's Aualex, Real Traps or GIK (of which I know human beings in all threee involved in their developement of products - one I even tried [ to what small extent I could ] to help get off the ground) all 3 (along with a plethura of others) have a value in the marketplace.

If you don't like someones product and know a fact you feel should be passed along - then bring out the facts - but you shouldn't make blanket statements like the above without something to substantiate the claim.

Some people don't really care for autos manufactured by Mercedes... they believe them to be un-necessary and completely overpriced - they believe you pay an unfair amount of money for just the name alone - It happens that I am not one of those people........

That doesn't make me right and them wrong - it just says we view things differently in the market place - which is what makes a free market work in the first place.

Rod
Rod any plans on a new book???
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Mullet, How tiny is your studio?

If you are getting any LF buildup then I'm sure you will probably need a couple Realtraps or GIK Bass Traps or Tri-Traps as well as the foams.
pretty tiny - 8ft x 5ft with the majority of the back wall open (6ft in the middle is open). Carpeted. I live in a condo. Its basically a tiny den just off the living room.
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Rod any plans on a new book???
Glen,

Hello my friend,

Actually am negotiating with my publisher for a 2nd edition on "da book"......

Looking good for us to come to terms........

I want to do a major re-write - probably 60% or so - add a lot to the electrical (gonna include low voltage) add a section for masonry and steel construction, for construction in attics or on floors in general.....

I want to beef up the HVAC -

and the section on treatmments - adding probably more about DIY and a lot of data on diffusion........

We'll see........ sorry I didn't see you at AES..........

Sincerely,

Rod
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Folks,

understand that I am NOT saying Auralex is the right product for this application - just that they have products that have their uses -

bad mouthing them with blanket statements that have no substance behind them is in itself not kewl.

Regards,

Rod
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod Gervais ➑️
You started out real good here....



And then went and blew it.......

Auralex is like any other company - they provide a product and service - and the value of that product/service is totally dependent on the satisfaction of their clients........

Whether it's Aualex, Real Traps or GIK (of which I know human beings in all threee involved in their developement of products - one I even tried [ to what small extent I could ] to help get off the ground) all 3 (along with a plethura of others) have a value in the marketplace.

If you don't like someones product and know a fact you feel should be passed along - then bring out the facts - but you shouldn't make blanket statements like the above without something to substantiate the claim.

Some people don't really care for autos manufactured by Mercedes... they believe them to be un-necessary and completely overpriced - they believe you pay an unfair amount of money for just the name alone - It happens that I am not one of those people........

That doesn't make me right and them wrong - it just says we view things differently in the market place - which is what makes a free market work in the first place.

Rod

well, im not going to argue with you...because your knowledge blows mine out of the water...

One thing i am certain is that auralex is way overpriced....at least for the humble home studio. for a small amount of foam, i can treat my entire studio.

its funny you mention mercedes..i worked for a shop that specialized in mercedes for 8 years ( 14 years now as mechanic)...And i can tell you ( at least from 2000 to now) mercedes benz are cheaply made ( kind of like every car made these days short of supercars lke a ferrari, but even they have got cheap in certain areas)...thats not an opinion...its a fact coming from someone who worked on them 40 hours a week for 8 years. and whether they are overpriced...i would have to say obsolutely.....if you want details as why i believe they are cheaply made and overpriced, i will tell you...so that you dont think its a blanket statement....

Now, to the consumer, the car might be great ( until the car is constantly in the shop)...but to the professional who works on them....they know better.

now the older mercedes are GREAT cars. Built like tanks.

If you want a new good luxury car, nothing beats a lexus, well desgined and they havent quite gone to the extent of cheapness as the other makes.

Rod, your book is great. The only thing that dismayed me was the section where you copied information directly from auralex and realtraps...30 something odd pages.. i mean a couple of links could have sufficied...

Anyways im not trying to get on your bad side, or argue with you. so dont take it the wrong way....

peace

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If you want a new good luxury car, nothing beats a lexus, well desgined and they havent quite gone to the extent of cheapness as the other makes.
LOL.
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LOL.
now that right there is a blanket statement

seriously though, how is it funny? ive told that to people very rich people who were considering buying a new mercedes. I used to work for a high end mercedes shop with a lot of wealthy customers..this was in the San franciscoF bay area....ive driven and worked on a lot of nice cars..porsche, ferrari, lambos, BMW and gobs of nice mercedes....


Customer

"takman, im thinking about buying a new mercedes...should i? if not what should i buy?"

Me

"Buy a Lexus"

Edit: sorry to threadjack your thread mullet....but i can post up some pics if you dont believe me

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pretty tiny - 8ft x 5ft with the majority of the back wall open (6ft in the middle is open). Carpeted. I live in a condo. Its basically a tiny den just off the living room.
Yeah, My friend.. you are really going to need more than foam in my honest opinion. Check out the GIK Super Bass Traps for example.. this is what you will need - or something like them. Use some regular bass traps to eliminate early reflections.. and some diffusing elements would definitely NOT hurt, because diffusing elements in a small room help it to sound 'bigger'.

But your most important thing is getting things smoothed out. That is: (a. primary modes and (b. early reflections.

Foam works well for high frequencies down to mid-range, but using foam in such a small room, your response could end up a little lop-sided. Then again, if it's standard construction 1/2" gypsum board on wood studs, much of the low end could end up being absorbed or passed through instead of re-radiated. But you will have trouble with 71 Hz, 133, 141, 151, 158, 181, 194, 200, and 212 Hz. That's assuming that your ceilings are 8'.

good luck.
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Yeah, My friend.. you are really going to need more than foam in my honest opinion. Check out the GIK Super Bass Traps for example.. this is what you will need - or something like them. Use some regular bass traps to eliminate early reflections.. and some diffusing elements would definitely NOT hurt, because diffusing elements in a small room help it to sound 'bigger'.

But your most important thing is getting things smoothed out. That is: (a. primary modes and (b. early reflections.

Foam works well for high frequencies down to mid-range, but using foam in such a small room, your response could end up a little lop-sided. Then again, if it's standard construction 1/2" gypsum board on wood studs, much of the low end could end up being absorbed or passed through instead of re-radiated. But you will have trouble with 71 Hz, 133, 141, 151, 158, 181, 194, 200, and 212 Hz. That's assuming that your ceilings are 8'.

good luck.
Thanks for the advice!! How much $$ am I looking at here? Do I need a specialist to install this stuff or is the installation/placement pretty staright forward? My only concern is that I'm just renting this place, so I dont think I'll be able to drive holes into the walls..
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How much $$ am I looking at here? Do I need a specialist to install this stuff or is the installation/placement pretty staright forward? My only concern is that I'm just renting this place, so I dont think I'll be able to drive holes into the walls..
There are lots of products that mount on stands, and both GIK and RealTraps sell triangle shaped bass traps that can be stacked up in corners. The photos below might give you some ideas.

--Ethan









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There are lots of products that mount on stands, and both GIK and RealTraps sell triangle shaped bass traps that can be stacked up in corners. The photos below might give you some ideas.

--Ethan









Thanks! Where can I go to price these out?
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Thanks! Where can I go to price these out?
My company:

RealTraps

Glenn's company:

GIK Acoustics

--Ethan
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Note: neither the ficus nor the girl are for sale. Just thought you'd want to know.

Frank
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Note: neither the ficus nor the girl are for sale. Just thought you'd want to know.

Frank
Yea those German girls are a little over priced.
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There are lots of products that mount on stands, and both GIK and RealTraps sell triangle shaped bass traps that can be stacked up in corners. The photos below might give you some ideas.

--Ethan









You forgot a couple.


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Note: neither the ficus nor the girl are for sale. Just thought you'd want to know.

Frank
So much for getting my bidness... That's on the verge bait and switch...


...in a manner of speaking thumbsup
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So much for getting my bidness... That's on the verge bait and switch...


...in a manner of speaking thumbsup
Dude. That's a sick thing to say about an innocent ficus.

Frank
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So much for getting my bidness... That's on the verge bait and switch...


...in a manner of speaking thumbsup
I am sure Ethan would throw in the ficus if you bought enough. Can't really say I could do that with the girl. sorry.....
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Talking

Take my wife, please.
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Take my wife, please.
Is she making you carry her purse again?
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Yes.
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Yes.
but.... isn't that where all the money is?!?!?
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