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Old 20th November 2009 | Show parent
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Thanks for all the help everyone. I'll be meeting with the contractor building my house tomorrow. Is there anything I should find out that will help me get the plan all finished out?
Old 11th January 2010 | Show parent
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Build a false wall to unsquare the room! You don't need much of a reduction. 5% difference in the length and width is sufficient for EBU/ITT/alphabet soup recommendation compliance. Problem solved.

Andre
Hi Andre - interesting. I have a similar dilemna and the room to do this.

At this time I am : 3.0m x 3.2 meters. Does that give me my 5% already ?
I also have a cieling I can play around with too.

Any advice appreiated ....
cdlt
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Hi Andre - interesting. I have a similar dilemna and the room to do this.

At this time I am : 3.0m x 3.2 meters. Does that give me my 5% already ?
I also have a cieling I can play around with too.
Probably. What is the ceiling height? Or the range you can play with it?

Andre
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I have an interesting ceiling which is the subject of another post. it is a latis-work of wodden support beams. I can close it off at 2.4M as a fake drop ceiling or get creative with a few different odd shapes / angles. See attached

thanks so much in advance
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Old 26th October 2016 | Show parent
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Greetings fellow audio nerds!
Hijacking this thread.

I'm currently looking for a new place and I just went at an apartment viewing. Only four showed up and I feel I have a good chance of getting the apartment. My plan is to turn the living room into a mixing room.

I know for a fact that the apartment is pretty soundproofed since I have a friend who lives on the floor above who make music all day long without neighbors complaining.


The problem is that the living room is square: 4.7m x 4.6m x ~2.5m (or 15'5" x 15'1" x ~8'4")


Could this be solved by covering the back wall with dense absorption? Like the entire wall? Would that work as a false wall?

Since it's a rented apartment I can't do much serious construction in it.

I have until tomorrow to decide if I want to take this apartment and I'll rather wait for a better one if it's hard to get good sound in this one!

Any help appreciated!
/Jens
Old 26th October 2016 | Show parent
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Greetings fellow audio nerds!
Hijacking this thread.
Congratulations. You just revived a 6-7 year old thread.

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Could this be solved by covering the back wall with dense absorption? Like the entire wall? Would that work as a false wall?
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. The ceiling height could be higher, but if you go for this will be stuck with it. Since it's an apartment, it's designed to be a place to live in, and not to be a place with excellent acoustics.
Old 26th October 2016 | Show parent
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Congratulations. You just revived a 6-7 year old thread.



Yes, that sounds like a good idea. The ceiling height could be higher, but if you go for this will be stuck with it. Since it's apartment, it's designed to be a place to live in, and not to be a place with excellent acoustics.
Just to be clear, I'm not talking about creating a giant absorber, what I'm asking is if a wall with dense fiberglass covered in fabric will shorten the room and thus affecting the modes? Or will it just be a giant absorber?
Old 26th October 2016 | Show parent
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...what I'm asking is if a wall with dense fiberglass covered in fabric will shorten the room and thus affecting the modes?
No.

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Old 26th October 2016 | Show parent
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Cloud

@ Mel guil. I would use laths or some sort of net and simply suspend a decent thickness up there, say 1 or 2 Feet. Fabric.
This will work amazingly well.

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I'm asking is if a wall with dense fiberglass covered in fabric will shorten the room and thus affecting the modes?
Sound travels about 20% slower in fibreglass than in air. So you would affect the modes a tiny amount, as the acoustic path of the sound waves would be in fact that tiny amount longer.


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Old 26th October 2016 | Show parent
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No.

Andre
Ok. So the only way is to actually build a wall? What if I cover the wall with bookshelves and then fill the shelves with dense fiberglass then cover it with gypsum board? Will that work? Or will it be like a big resonator?
Old 27th October 2016 | Show parent
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Ok. So the only way is to actually build a wall? What if I cover the wall with bookshelves and then fill the shelves with dense fiberglass then cover it with gypsum board? Will that work? Or will it be like a big resonator?
Please I would like an answer to this. Today is the last day to decide if I want the apartment or not. Is it possible to build a wall like that? Or is there another way to build a wall that's easily removable that wont leave marks in the apartment?
Old 27th October 2016 | Show parent
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Please I would like an answer to this. Today is the last day to decide if I want the apartment or not. Is it possible to build a wall like that? Or is there another way to build a wall that's easily removable that wont leave marks in the apartment?
What you really want isn't clearly defined, but I think it goes something like this: You have a room that is almost square, and you want it to be less square to spread some of the modes out a bit.

If that is the ONLY requirement, a hard wall is what you need.

But why not also absorb the hell out of the rear wall and dampen the modes (that will peak every 36.5 Hz or so) that will be the most troublesome anyway.

Say you have a 50 cm deep wall, and if sound travels 20% slower through it, it ends up acting like a 62.5 cm wall. You have gained 12.5 cm, so the room acts as if it's 4.825 m to the low frequencies that manage to pass all the way through the absorbers and hit the real wall.

Higher frequencies will reflect off the surface instead, so the apparent room length to them will be 4.2 m.
Old 27th October 2016 | Show parent
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What you really want isn't clearly defined, but I think it goes something like this: You have a room that is almost square, and you want it to be less square to spread some of the modes out a bit.

If that is the ONLY requirement, a hard wall is what you need.

But why not also absorb the hell out of the rear wall and dampen the modes (that will peak every 36.5 Hz or so) that will be the most troublesome anyway.

Say you have a 50 cm deep wall, and if sound travels 20% slower through it, it ends up acting like a 62.5 cm wall. You have gained 12.5 cm, so the room acts as if it's 4.825 m to the low frequencies that manage to pass all the way through the absorbers and hit the real wall.

Higher frequencies will reflect off the surface instead, so the apparent room length to them will be 4.2 m.
I'm planning to treat the hell out of the room, don't worry. The question is if bookshelves filled with dense absorbtion with a layer of gypsumboard on top will act as a hard wall?

Great tip by the way adding a thick layer of insulation to lenghten the room!
Old 5th December 2020
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Hi
I would like to revive this if possible as I have a similiar problem....I have to move houses and the new room is nearly square 4.30m(14.1ft) x 4.10m(13.5) x 2.5-3m(8-9)ft, not sure of the exact height. Would 32inch floor to ceiling bass traps, 4inch panels at first reflection points, 4 inch panels for cloud and covering the entire back wall with 15 inch bass traps plus 7-8inch gap give me a room with descent results, good frequency response?
Old 5th December 2020
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I can post photos if necessary
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Build a false wall to unsquare the room! You don't need much of a reduction. 5% difference in the length and width is sufficient for EBU/ITT/alphabet soup recommendation compliance. Problem solved.

Andre
Hi Please
I really need an answer! How is a false wall built, what does it consist if? Rockwool,wood & drywall? Or are concrete blocks etc necessary? My room is 14.1 x 13.5 ft so would that mean that the false wall would have to be aprox 8-9 inches thick?
Old 8th December 2020 | Show parent
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Can you please explain

.. If you are handy with tools and have a little skill you'll be able to add that wall yourself - 2X4s on 16" centers, top and bottom plate, R13 fiberglass insul, and one layer of 5/8" gypsum board (that's the thicker stuff). - plaster and paint. heh
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