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Getting HEDD (hooked up) !!
Old 3rd October 2002
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Getting HEDD (hooked up) !!

I'm getting the HEDD 192 thanks to great feedback and some additional persuasion (thanks Jules!!).

It will be here 2moro, and I had a couple questions in anticipation.

My main converter is digi 192 i/o. Jules you had mentioned that I could insert HEDD on the stereo 2 buss going in/out AES. I also want to bring up in/out on the patchbay for individual tracking...

Could you share with me some of the (better) connection options I have considering this: I have HD3, 192 i/o expanded to 16 analogue in's, C24, 144 pt. patchbay, and I mostly want to use for mixdown buss but will also want to use to track thru. And do I need special AES cables etc or just reg. xlr..etc...

j_ho
Old 3rd October 2002
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AES needs a special 110 ohm cable. Geta 'gold tipped' pair. Apogee sell very fancy high quality ones. Using normal XLR's will do untill you get some proper ones, it wont 'break' anything - but you must get real ones ASAP.
Old 4th October 2002
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So out of the 192 AES into HEDD, out of there back in......on the master fader or two master faders or don't I have to use an AUX fader for that...? rollz rollz
Old 4th October 2002
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Several modes open to you:

1)

A - an alternate converter 'flavor' + optional (nice tape simulation) for recording (you may prefer it to the 192 on certain things)

B - at the same time as the main monitor analog out.(you may prefer it to the 192 analog outs)

2) as harware insert on master fader to ad the tape simulation digitally to your mix (no extra aux nessary)
Old 3rd January 2003
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Jules, we've decided to by the HEDD 192 and add it to the rig in our new room,opting to upgrade our Mix+ and live with it for another year or so.
My question for you is : How do you clock your system? is this done from the HEDD (not sure if it does this) or are you using an external clock source ala lucid or aardvark?
No clock?
We're also going to pony up and get the D2B....after hearing it at AES. The demo was most impressive.
thanks
Old 3rd January 2003
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My Hedd gets clocked to two sources depending on what I am doing

1) My Mix + rigs Prism Dream ADA converters - (my "house clock") when overdubbing / tracking

2) internaly by it's own clock when I record mixes with it at 96k to my Masterlink..

Give that unit room to BREATH, dont jam it between two other hot items in a rack... it runs hot... You will want it as near eye height as you can manage - it has great meters.

Old 3rd January 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
My Hedd gets clocked to two sources depending on what I am doing

1) My Mix + rigs Prism Dream ADA converters - (my "house clock") when overdubbing / tracking

2) internaly by it's own clock when I record mixes with it at 96k to my Masterlink..
My intent is to improve our 888's performance by clocking xternally....I',m assuming your PRISM convertors do a better job stand alone than the 888's?

I'm gonna give cranesong a buzz and see what he suggests as to clocking a HEDD to xternal source....for tracking with 888's at the same time.
We'll also be using the HEDD for mixing to Masterlink. thanks
Old 4th January 2003
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Use the Cranesong clock as master 'house clock' - feed it to the 888's

How many do you have BTW?

How many BNC w/c sockets do you have on all your gear? (add it up for me, (better still - list it and describe your use of it)
Old 4th January 2003
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my current setup....

aardsync 2 (256x) ->apogee ad8000, 888
(2xwc) ->hedd, rme multiface(tibook running nuendo)

apogee aes out -> hedd d/a -> analog eq and comp -> hedd a/d
Old 4th January 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Use the Cranesong clock as master 'house clock' - feed it to the 888's

How many do you have BTW?

How many BNC w/c sockets do you have on all your gear? (add it up for me, (better still - list it and describe your use of it)
Hey Jules,'

The 888's uses superclock, the Hedd doesn't. He will have to buy something like the Aardvarc Sync 2 to clock his PT and Hedd.

You can send the Hedd signal through AES when recording(not the same i know)but the Hedd will be doing the conversion.

That's one of the benefits of the new 192 boxes, you can clock them from any source you choose.
Old 5th January 2003
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if you feed the 888 a digital signal from hedd and set the 888's clock to digital, then the 888 will be receiving clock from hedd via aes/ebu or spdif cable. of course, the best way to clock any digital gears is via bnc 75ohm cables. better stability, longer cable runs...etc.

anyway, if you are looking for a master clock for your digital rig, aardvark aardsync 2 or the current model of nanosync are your best choice out there.

my pro tools, nuendo and hedd are all receiving clock directly from aardsync 2 and they are working beautifully together.
Old 5th January 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by nOiz
if you feed the 888 a digital signal from hedd and set the 888's clock to digital, then the 888 will be receiving clock from hedd via aes/ebu or spdif cable. of course, the best way to clock any digital gears is via bnc 75ohm cables. better stability, longer cable runs...etc.

anyway, if you are looking for a master clock for your digital rig, aardvark aardsync 2 or the current model of nanosync are your best choice out there.

my pro tools, nuendo and hedd are all receiving clock directly from aardsync 2 and they are working beautifully together.
Too me at least the 888 sounds better on its own clock, than clocked to the HEDD(superclock over AES).

If he decides to monitor through the Hedd than he must clock it from the 888.

I think 888's do sound great when clocked to an Aardvark(again superclock).

I think the Hedd sounds better when its clocked to itself.

I've heard different opinions on the 192's. In my opinion at times the 192's sound better when clocked to the Hedd, at other times it didn't. They do improve though with an Aardvark2.
Old 5th January 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Several modes open to you:
)

2) as harware insert on master fader to ad the tape simulation digitally to your mix (no extra aux nessary)
One to thing to tell you Jules, if you do use it as an insert(digitally), then prepare yourself for lots of latency. Not only from the digital insert(17-18samples i think) but also from the Hedd itself(the processing has its own latency).

When mixed with the original stereo mix you get crazy phase shifts.yuktyy rollz

Best thing is to run the AES stereo mix out of the 192 into the HEDD and record it on a stereo track.
Old 5th January 2003
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OK but lets not give anyone the false impression that you need PTHD & Digidesign 192 interface to do recording sessions with a Hedd (also having the confusing model number 192).

It works a treat with the Mix + platform! I use it all the time getting in and out of PT via an old 16 bit 888 (passes 24 bit via AES and is an economic way to get 24 bit digital devices i/o of PT)

re the latency..

As an insert on the mix buss I cant for the life of me think why you might want to blend the processed mix back with an unprocessed mix.. And almost any digital process these days has a through latency...

Certainly, for monitoring a mix, 18 samples isn't enough to mess with 'hand to ear' mix moves IMHO.

As for where to record the Mix - sure back on PT is fine, so is to a DAT or Masterlink..

I dont get the point you are making, to say 'prepare for lots of latency' seems a rather doom laden 'warning'..

So ... what's your point? What IS there to watch out for on a regular session? I am intrigued!

Thanks,
Old 5th January 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
OK but lets not give anyone the false impression that you need PTHD & Digidesign 192 interface to do recording sessions with a Hedd (also having the confusing model number 192).

It works a treat with the Mix + platform! I use it all the time getting in and out of PT via an old 16 bit 888 (passes 24 bit via AES and is an economic way to get 24 bit digital devices i/o of PT)

re the latency..

As an insert on the mix buss I cant for the life of me think why you might want to blend the processed mix back with an unprocessed mix.. And almost any digital process these days has a through latency...

Certainly, for monitoring a mix, 18 samples isn't enough to mess with 'hand to ear' mix moves IMHO.

As for where to record the Mix - sure back on PT is fine, so is to a DAT or Masterlink..

I dont get the point you are making, to say 'prepare for lots of latency' seems a rather doom laden 'warning'..

So ... what's your point? What IS there to watch out for on a regular session? I am intrigued!

Thanks,
Understood.

I thought the original poster said he had a 192/HD interface(Kushan Ku).

Yeah but your master clock is not the HEDD or 888, its the Prism converters right?

18 samples makes a difference(especially when using effects). It takes some of the fowardness of the sounds away, but for some reason it does make some instruments fizzy.

Why mix both processed and unprocessed?

Well you suggested he use it as an insert on the mix buss. That's what happens(also this is done in analog all the time).

And its just not 18 samples, its 18+the latency delay within the HEDD itself(when you use the triode,pentode,tape modes).
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