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Old 8th September 2003
  #91
Nik
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I have to say the 2-bus is simply fantastic.

The unit "re-anchors" your audio perspective and allows you to hear again!

I won't mix without it. In fact, I have started using my outboard gear again and have started to pull away from using too many plugs.

Moral of the story..............real gear just sounds better most of the time, more immediate, less veiled, etc.

Spend more money on real gear is my new focus.

Nik
Old 12th September 2003
  #92
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OK. After feeling I had no need for a D2B, I'm reconsidering. I've been mostly doing singer/songwriter stuff and it sounds very clean and uncluttered using an HD3 system in the box and running the output through an API 2500. Now I'm mixing a rock cd (Beatle's sounding stuff) and I keep having to back off on all the faders to keep the master fader level under control. It keeps changing my mixes when reduce everything by several dB.

I can clearly see how allowing each track to run at a higher digital level would simplify things. Is there any "sound" difference between the D2B original and the LT?

How are you integrating these things. I've got a couple of full 48 point patch bays that already have all my outboard gear and 16 analog outs wired up. Would the easiest and most flexible route be to get another patch bay and just wire up the 16 inputs of the D2B-LT directly to a 25 pin connector?

Thanks,
Neale Eckstein
Old 12th September 2003
  #93
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You will want to have the oportunity to insert outboard before the D2B, so plan for it!





Old 12th September 2003
  #94
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Does digi's announcement of faster cards and the possibility of them rewriting their mix buss algorithms mean that there will be less of a need for this product?
Old 12th September 2003
  #95
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Jules,

After the D2B is no problem. I assume I'll also want have outboard between the 192 I/0 and the individual D2B inputs, correct? That's why I figure if it's just another set of patch points, I'm totally flexible.

Neale
Old 12th September 2003
  #96
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Quote:
Originally posted by Neale Eckstein
Jules,

After the D2B is no problem. I assume I'll also want have outboard between the 192 I/0 and the individual D2B inputs, correct? That's why I figure if it's just another set of patch points, I'm totally flexible.

Neale
Why not set up so that you have patch points between everything but have it normalled to go through the D2B LT, then you can patch in your outboard gear before/after the D2B LT as the occasion arises?

Not sure if that helps any...I hope it does...
Old 12th September 2003
  #97
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Quote:
Originally posted by etherize
Does digi's announcement of faster cards and the possibility of them rewriting their mix buss algorithms mean that there will be less of a need for this product?
Why would it? It ain't the 2 bus in the computer, it's something completely different that no amount of programming or computer CPU can take the place of. What I'm more suprised about is the amount of people who haven't heard a multitrack mix through a high quality console. They're so used to eating $1.99 lunch meat, they eat a $15/lb steak and for some strange reason don't want to go back. Do convenience and economics really play that much of a role, in the professional sector?
Old 13th September 2003
  #98
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"Jules, After the D2B is no problem. I assume I'll also want have outboard between the 192 I/0 and the individual D2B inputs, correct?"

Yes 16 insert points & of course access to the outputs prior to any recorder..
Old 15th September 2003
  #99
Nik
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Wire the 2-buss to a patchbay.

Nik
Old 18th September 2003
  #100
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So to get back to the original question - anyone compared the 2-Bus to the LT version ? Results ?

Rob
Old 18th September 2003
  #101
Nik
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Go to

www.dangerousmusic.com

The comparisons are presented (from a technical perspective) in the FAQ section.

By the way.......the unit is STONE QUIET.

Nik
Old 30th October 2003
  #102
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Well it's been a long time coming but it's supposed to come today. :>) I'm very excited.
Old 5th November 2003
  #103
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hi just a little question in the end... the dangerous unit only provides analog I/O did i understand that right?!?!?! so i have to use d/a conversion in order to use the d2b?? so if id have a adatbridge and 2 rmes it would be possible to feed the d2b with 16 inputs,right?? i could put the d2b to my patchbay so i could e.g. take a signal form output 5 into a external comp and out of the comp into the d2b..right??? what about automation??? would it be better to use the external unit by I/O plugin in pt?? and then from the the output 5 (where the comp has already bee inserted) to the d2b?? so the comp wont behave diffrent when automation begins(volume changes) the virtual fader is post the plugins in pt and logic etc. isnt it??? at the moment i use a desk for this work(its a shame a desk only fpr monitoring the sum of diffrent a/d outs...)my question for the d2b is monitoring..where to plug my monitors?? where to adjust volume??? or does that unit not work like this??? wheres the real diffrence between the lt and the expensive one!??!?!

thx for answers...
Old 5th November 2003
  #104
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Does the Digi 002 have enough analog outs to properly use the Dangerous 2-Buss or its LT?
Old 5th November 2003
  #105
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I love the D2B setup. I've got all the ins and outs wired to my patchbay. The only issue that has come up has been about reverb sends that are pre outboard compressor jumping out when the compressor kicks in. It's subtle, but can be heard. I posted this thread here, but only got one reply from "Thrill" who basically prints all outboard excursions back into the session and then goes to the D2B. What I like most about the D2B is how slammin' you can get the mixes and I'm not sure I want to deal with another A/D/A and latency compensation.
<https://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthrea...&threadid=8261>

Anyone here have any additional comments?

Neale Eckstein
Old 10th November 2003
  #106
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Answers

Here some answers
1. The 2 Bus (LT) only provides analog i/o
2. any soundcard will work - best results with multitrack
3. yes you can chain efx units
4. automation is done thru your software
5. For complete monitoring you would need a Dangerous Monitor-
if not you use the monitor outputs to speakers and the main outputs
to your master !
5. Difference between is the less expensive switches and hardware.
Small difference in gain accuracy!

Quote:
Originally posted by xl-sander
hi just a little question in the end... the dangerous unit only provides analog I/O did i understand that right?!?!?! so i have to use d/a conversion in order to use the d2b?? so if id have a adatbridge and 2 rmes it would be possible to feed the d2b with 16 inputs,right?? i could put the d2b to my patchbay so i could e.g. take a signal form output 5 into a external comp and out of the comp into the d2b..right??? what about automation??? would it be better to use the external unit by I/O plugin in pt?? and then from the the output 5 (where the comp has already bee inserted) to the d2b?? so the comp wont behave diffrent when automation begins(volume changes) the virtual fader is post the plugins in pt and logic etc. isnt it??? at the moment i use a desk for this work(its a shame a desk only fpr monitoring the sum of diffrent a/d outs...)my question for the d2b is monitoring..where to plug my monitors?? where to adjust volume??? or does that unit not work like this??? wheres the real diffrence between the lt and the expensive one!??!?!

thx for answers...
Old 18th November 2003
  #107
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🎧 15 years
Well I've had it for a week now and I'm having a blast. I love it.
Old 18th November 2003
  #108
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Received a d8b test device from the german distributor
DidnΒ΄t have the chance to hear it till now, but will report later.

It has beautiful yellow andgreen knobs, which is essential for my facility !
Old 18th November 2003
  #109
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Eeeehh - no - it is a d2b for godΒ΄s sake .

Hope, it will be better than the wackie d8b grudge
Old 18th November 2003
  #110
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LOL. Funny.
Old 6th August 2005
  #111
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WOW !

what a thread... maybe i am getting in here a bit late, but hope some D2B users will answer to help me decide

i have read a lot, i am very ignorant of this "analog summing" or bit summing, i have difficulties understand...

I have a Protools Mix Plus system with AD-8000SE converters... yup, a little old i know for 2005 :P but i am just starting, i am going to open a studio in november, maybe after 6 month or so, i will be able to switch to HD.

this thread really made m want to buy one D2B LT to improve my mixes...

can anyone tell me very simply why i would need a "analog summing" ? i mean by this, how analog summing actually works ?

and how i am really suppose to patch this to my AD-8000SE ? should it go through a patchbay before ? or can i just use 2track of AD-8000SE into D2B LT and switch tracks inside PT ?

thank you for your inputs !
Old 6th August 2005 | Show parent
  #112
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Hi remote - here are some answers before the others get in about their taste !

Analog Summing uses analog circuitry, adding in our case 16 channels together in to 2 Stereo Pairs, in a digital system will be dithering depending on system and res.

If you sum analog you have the option to integrate analog outboard gear without going back to digital.

In your setup you need 2 Multicore DSub to XLR female connectors to go into the 2Bus LT and 2 XLR Cables to go back into the AD8000.
( link for cables : http://www.dangerousmusic.de/cables/enaccess.html )

so no patchbay needed - but if you have a lot of gear it is the better way to have your outputs (AD8000) and the inputs ( 2Bus LT) on the patchbay.

stefan - dangerousmusic europe
Old 13th August 2005 | Show parent
  #113
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FisheyeMusic
If you sum analog you have the option to integrate analog outboard gear without going back to digital.
You always have to go back to digital, because that's your final delivery system to the consumer. It's just a question of when. If you mix in the computer, then only those tracks you wish to use analog processing on need to go out through converters and back in again. If you're using a D2B then everything will have to go out through converters and eventually comback into digital again. So your statement is misleading in this regard.

-R
Old 13th August 2005 | Show parent
  #114
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Yep - you are right - but if you use analog processing ( and a 2 Bus) on individual channels - you don't need to go back until the final stereo mix.

Stef
Old 13th August 2005 | Show parent
  #115
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I'm using the Phoenix Nicerizer 16 and was using the D2B LT before that. There is no question in my mind that when I divide my mix out of 16 converters instead of 2, there is a noticeable difference in the imaging, width, and details like reverb tails. It's worth the conversion to me even if I used no outboard gear.

I carry it much further than that because I usually have some kind of analog piece across those converters, which I prefer to plug-ins, but I wouldn't say that my final mixes are cleaner than staying in the box all the way, but it sure sounds better.

Neale Eckstein
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Old 13th August 2005 | Show parent
  #116
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I agree - same for me - mixing with a 2 Bus allows a real analog feeling since you can write the faders higher. - Master Fader in PT becomes obsolete.

Stef
Old 14th August 2005 | Show parent
  #117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FisheyeMusic
Yep - you are right - but if you use analog processing ( and a 2 Bus) on individual channels - you don't need to go back until the final stereo mix.

Stef
That can be a disadvantage in two ways. First of all, all of your tracks are given an extra conversion, not just the ones you are processing with analog gear. Secondly, if you use your analog effects as inserts on your ITB session then you can use them prefader as you are accustomed to doing.

Forget trying to dummy up objective rationales about all this. If you like the way the IC's in the thing sound, fine, but it's not "better" because of any quasi scientific reasons put out by Dangerous music. I've used both, and so far I prefer the Nicerizer to the D2B, but that's just personal taste.

-R
Old 18th August 2005 | Show parent
  #118
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I think that if you can make it work for you, you'll find it's an amazing improvement.
Some get it sooner and some get it later but you're gonna get it.

peace,
chap
Old 19th August 2005 | Show parent
  #119
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chap
I think that if you can make it work for you, you'll find it's an amazing improvement.
Some get it sooner and some get it later but you're gonna get it.

peace,
chap
agrees.

luckily i got it sooner or i would of sold mine off heh
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