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NEW CRANESONG PRO TOOLS PLUG IN!!!!!!!
Old 2nd October 2002
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NEW CRANESONG PRO TOOLS PLUG IN!!!!!!!

http://www.cranesong.com/PHOENIX.html

"Phoenix is a TDM Plug-In for Pro Tools that is designed to put analog color into the digital domain by increasing apparent loudness without increasing gain (e.g., by modeling analog tape compression). The result is added realism that is missing in "modeled" synths, EQs and digital samplers. The five "flavors" of Phoenix can solve the "digititus" problem common in digital recordings, resulting in a much more musical and satisfying sound."
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Old 2nd October 2002
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Re: NEW CRANESONG PRO TOOLS PLUG IN!!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
http://www.cranesong.com/PHOENIX.html

is that what it actually looks like? man, they need a real designer. i mean i could understand them putting out a crappy looking plugin using the base graphical tools... but man, that is just hideous.
Old 2nd October 2002
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Yup, looks like poo, but if it has some of them Hedd like harmonics - I'm in.
Old 2nd October 2002
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I can understand these responses because how it looks is sooooo important...
Old 2nd October 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brad Blackwood
I can understand these responses because how it looks is sooooo important...
you would be suprised how much the looks are important to the client. that thing just looks AMATEUR on so many levels. brad, you know dave.... tell him i will design him a much better look for it. something more akin to his hardware line.

of course its only TDM so i cant use it anyway... but ill still design him a better looking plugin.
Old 2nd October 2002
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more info!

I think a little more infotainment is in order. Howsabout a description of the flavors available?
Old 2nd October 2002
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Definately would look much classier w/ the Cranesong hardware cosmetics, but inserted vs. bypassed will probably be enough to show anyone who turns up their nose at the graphics.

Do Cranesong, GML, and other high end folks develop for TDM mostly because there is less perceived threat of piracy than the native formats? Or is it just a perception that the TDM market is the professional users who would buy these plugs? It kind of keeps the better native systems at arms length in terms of perceived features. And keeps me even more on the damn fence. The first plug that replicates the smell of 456 might get me, though.

Bear
Old 2nd October 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gone Fission
Do Cranesong, GML, and other high end folks develop for TDM mostly because there is less perceived threat of piracy than the native formats? Or is it just a perception that the TDM market is the professional users who would buy these plugs?
Probably a combination of those things. Also, the numbers might play into it (last I heard, Dig was selling around 500 units/month - that's a staggering amount of sales potential...).
Old 3rd October 2002
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But are those only new users or do those sales include upgrades? The preexisting Mix system user base was already large, so just a reasonable portion upgrading is going to insure healthy sales. Just like we aren't going to be saying "Hey, look at all the people suddenly buying TV's!" when HDTV becomes the new standard and everybody starts upgrading. I don't expect a straight answer from Digi marketing on what these sales mean, nor do I expect them to be completely on the level with their developers.

I expect Digi to have an interesting time this go round, since they are from the start releasing a system that can already be configured parallel to what the Mix Cubed was compared to the Mix24, so they won't have as consistent a market in small upgrades to keep up with the Jones (the high end buying in top of the line from the start, I'd figure). I imagine this is part of the reason they have three LE editions on the market, to keep the stream of revenue flowing from low-end users.

Bear
Old 3rd October 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gone Fission
But are those only new users or do those sales include upgrades?
From the plug-in developer's standpoint, does it matter? If you are developing a plug, with that type of market...
Old 3rd October 2002
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TDM was also the most widely kracked plugin format. their plugins cost double what others cost also...

i wonder if TDMII can hold off the kracks?

still, there is such a lotta paranoia about excessive kracking. it really puts the paying user out of the way... i just had to rebuild my windoze machine 3 times this past week. damn POS. just having to find all these serials is a total bitch... but do you realize what a PITA it would be to replace an iSuk? imagine losing all your authorizations in one little accident. something about putting all your eggs in a basket...


and sonics or not... the graphics are cheesier than kraft macaroni.
Old 3rd October 2002
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Interesting chatter.....
BTW - The DUY 'DADTAPE' plug in has long been well regarded for its tape emulation on PT. Many folks can't get by without it. For them it IS that 'tape smell' plug in...... just thoght I would give a heads up on it for those that were unaware...
Old 3rd October 2002
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I used DUY tape once a while ago... I only played with the Spider tape simulation for a second but I would think the cranesong tape simulation will be better...

now the best tape emulation I have heard was by this company called audiotoyz (?) ... they are going to have a series of retro like plug-ins that will be distributed by wavemechanics... now I heard there stuff so long ago and still no news about when they will release it... If any of you are going to AES perhaps the Wavemechanics guys will know what's up...

Wouldn't suprize me if audio toyz is really more of the eventide team doing their own thing...
Old 3rd October 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brad Blackwood
I can understand these responses because how it looks is sooooo important...
Worked for Bombfactory and Sony...
Old 3rd October 2002
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Here we go with this "Alsihad" crap again. I have an idea. In the interest of assuring that absolutely no information ever gets shared on any of these forums, let us now assign code names for all of our favorite manufacturers. That way we can finally boil these discussions down to what we all really care about anyway: baseless opinion and superior attitude.
Old 3rd October 2002
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you're right. I'm sorry.

Great coffee this morning, actually. As Always! Peets from Berklee. yum

My bed is pissing me off, though. It sags. That's what I get for sleeping like a rock.

So anyway, I love my Analog Channel, and I think Colin is the master, but I sometimes question the attack/release paradigm the plug embraces. HEDD (if that's what's being offered) sounds mighty intriguing to me. Do tell!
Old 9th July 2003
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Sooooooooooo - is this thing ever commin' out?

Old 9th July 2003
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Dave's working on the copy protection right now. Won't come out until the latest copy protection is installed...
Old 9th July 2003
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Quote:
Won't come out until the latest copy protection is installed...
Which would be what? Is there a new copy protection in the works that we don't know about? I hope it's more stable.
Old 9th July 2003
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hey guys, how are your relationships with pace? I am still at PT 5.1.1/OS 9.2 ver very stable to me... just wanted to know if all that mess is still around
Thanks
Old 9th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by quasimodonyc
Which would be what? Is there a new copy protection in the works that we don't know about? I hope it's more stable.
I don't think it's a 'new' protection scheme, he just wants to insure the latest version is used. I think he really wants to make sure it works well to protect his investment, yet doesn't get in the user's way...
Old 17th July 2003
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if a man can make it, a man can break it.....going to extra lengths to try an copyright is pointless...it just ****s with those who actually buy the s/w
Old 17th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Teacher
if a man can make it, a man can break it.....going to extra lengths to try an copyright is pointless...it just ****s with those who actually buy the s/w
Well, considering the investment needed to develop this plug, I understand wanting to put off the cracks as long as possible...
Old 25th July 2003
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A lot of times copy protection is put in not so much for security, but in order to sell the product to foreign markets. Some require copy protection on all software, regardless of it's effectiveness.
Old 25th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by heinz
A lot of times copy protection is put in not so much for security, but in order to sell the product to foreign markets. Some require copy protection on all software, regardless of it's effectiveness.
In many markets of the Middle and Far East, dongles and
other "copy protection" are required, as there is blatant
theft of software.

What I find interesting is that the US audio recording world
still tolerates it. In the rest US software market,
"copy protection" has been soundly rejected by the
legitimate user community.

One can argue that the PCI DSP cards used by a lot
of plugins are simply "copy protection" disguised
as a feature/benefit. At least the DSP cards have a potential
to actually deliver performance improvement.

Of course, "copy protection" is impossible for anything
digital. A more realistic term would be "usage restricting"
technology, which would not prevent copying, but prevent
you from using it without paying.
Old 25th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by fishtop_records
In many markets of the Middle and Far East, dongles and
other "copy protection" are required, as there is blatant
theft of software.
Hmmm, and how do you know this? Do you live there?

Just wondering cuz I never heard of this before...
Old 25th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by The MPCist
Hmmm, and how do you know this? Do you live there?
Just wondering cuz I never heard of this before...
My avatar has where I live.
I write software for a living.

My information about the middle east may be a little dated,
the project that I worked on there, were about ten years
ago. But I'm willing to bet a beer that it is still true.

The blatant pirating of music and videos and software
in the developing Asian markets is well documented.
It is even possible to have some understanding about
why people without many possession or
physical property ownership would not grok
something abstract like intellectual property.

But I primarily deal with US software, and don't
get paid to stay curernt on the business models outside
North America and Western Europe.

What is true in the markets that I cover is that
dongles and other "copy protection" schemes have
been soundly rejected by business because they
inflict pain upon your legal customers. The only
exception seems to be in the "pro audio" world.

I find this strange, because people who work daily
with intellectual property should understand and respect
that software folks should be paid for their work, just
like singers, engineers, and musicians. I have no
insight into why the audio industry, and especially
the plug-in industry, keeps using "copy protection"
Old 25th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by fishtop_records
What is true in the markets that I cover is that
dongles and other "copy protection" schemes have
been soundly rejected by business because they
inflict pain upon your legal customers. The only
exception seems to be in the "pro audio" world.

I find this strange, because people who work daily
with intellectual property should understand and respect
that software folks should be paid for their work, just
like singers, engineers, and musicians. I have no
insight into why the audio industry, and especially
the plug-in industry, keeps using "copy protection"
Because unlike normal businesses that are willing to pay for their software, many people in the audio industry are not. It is strange that the very people who scream about stealing music turn around and use 'cracks', but it is a fact of life...

If the plug in developers had no copy protection, they'd be out of buisness, period.
Old 25th July 2003
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Well, considering the investment needed to develop this plug, I understand wanting to put off the cracks as long as possible...
The sad thing is the crack typically makes it out before the product makes it to market.

It happened to me with Native Instruments Reaktor v4 (challenge-response security.....ditched the USB dongle).

People had already been using it for a few weeks prior to release. So there I was, having paid the money for the upgrade and some 15 year-old was already using it for free.

I pay for all my stuff....that's why I don't have a lot of it.

Copy protection schemes really are annoying for those of use who are legitimate users.....but so are taxes, little old gray haired ladies driving 30MPH in the fast lane, etc.

We'll just have to live with it.

.....oh, yeah....that Crane Song plug needs some serious plastic surgery.
Old 25th July 2003
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Has iLok been cracked yet?
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