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Old 29th September 2002
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so.

im thinking about moving to hawaii. anyone from there? been there? know anything about it?

any studios in hawaii?
Old 29th September 2002
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if i had the $$$$ i'd be in hawaii for sure. rundgren's studio is there and i thought becker had(has?) a studio there..and bob rock also.

i'm a fan of the big island because of its diverse climates...and its still pretty undeveloped( except the south end). though i don't think any of the islands would be a bad choice. except maybe that one that was a leper colony...

great coffee, the best tasting fish( ono), the cost of living is pretty high though. and some of the more remote areas have kinda shaky power supplies..

but still, its HAWAII.

if you lived near bob rock, maybe you could borrow all his 1073's....
Old 29th September 2002
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high compared to what? LA? SF?
Old 29th September 2002
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which island are you thinking about?

My dream was once to live like Jan Hammer the guy that scored Miami vice...live on an island and score tv shows...hey maybe that could be still in my future...

So What has you thinking about Hawaii?
Old 29th September 2002
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im thinking oahu because that is where most of the nightlife is, possibly bands as well.

i dunno, probably the weather, a totally different culture while still staying within the US.
Old 29th September 2002
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I know a Female who lives near Pearl Harbor, because her Husband is in the Navy, but she's bored to death there!!

The Mainland will miss you, Alpha!!
Old 29th September 2002
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couch size

make sure you get a big couch, cause I will be trying to invite myself over for a visit if you do move there!
Old 29th September 2002
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stationed there (Oahu) in late 70s US Army...the first three months were heaven...but being from the western part of Texas, I soon felt like I was trapped...a long drive was simply out of the question...

Two things that stand out in my memory about Ft Shafter and Ft DeRussey: 1) how expensive everything was over there, and 2) how they could get the cotton from the top of an aspirin bottle to act as a bikini swimsuit.

I'd love to visit there again, but living there again would be another story...
Old 29th September 2002
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While hunting for my new console I was in touch with a broker who had a line on a Trident that had been in service on one of the Hawaiian (sp?) islands. He said it would probably be pretty ****ed as humidity is almost impossible to regulate there; even indoors. Don't know how valid a statament that is, but it is a point to investigate if you definitley want to set up shop there.

I did go to Maui with the wife on our honeymoon. FWIW, it is without a doubt the most beautiful place I have ever seen.

- jon
Old 29th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
high compared to what? LA? SF?
compared to LA...especially oahu. the drag is that the places that are cheap to live have absolutely no means of generating income.

i had a bout of studio wanderlust about 8 years ago
( pre wife, child and mortgage)..and moved my studio up to the mountains on the north shore of lake tahoe. i had visited there often to ski or mountainbike and had the opportunuty to use a friend's large vacant house overlooking the lake...the downer was all my musical contacts were here in LA and the main population of tahoe was either retirees, transient thrillseekers or tourists. the only people with the $$ to record had their own studios up there already.
so i moved back to LA about 6 months later...well-tanned and a much better skier..but incredibly bored on the musical front. now i work here and visit there a few times a year.

i'm a newbie here so i don't want to sound like a blow-hole or buttinski
( maybe, its too late!)...but i'd check out the music scene there very seriously if you plan on making your bank there. if you got the $$$ and/or the clients to follow you...man, by all means, run don't walk to the nearest airport. it is a slice of heaven. though everyone i know who lives there gets "island fever" and jumps to CA from time to time.

whats life without an adventure?heh
Old 30th September 2002
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yes, its the adventure we are after... my wife suggested the carribian [sp?] but i dont think i could live there after going to several of the islands. once you leave the comforts of the resorts... its pretty bad, as in the rich are the ones who live behind bars. i think if i moved there i would give up the studio and just open a bar.

we are contemplating LA as well. i figure if we can afford hawaii, we could afford LA. i hear the housing market is through the roof, i wonder if it will fall at all? or if it will keep on rising... i guess that is the gamble. i have a pretty nice nest egg that i could easily use for a house in LA [along with what i have in my house already] and if the market keeps going up after i buy, ill still be all good. if it crashes, ill be ****ed. of course, the stock market isnt doing THAT well right now either.

i want the beach however. so any LA people have any ideas?

i know malibu is so OUT. how about santa monica? venice? anywhere near the beach? i dont even mind living in an apartment or whatever [hopefully i can con some studio into letting me work there ] or is that just a pipe dream. whatever area it is... it needs to be somewhat "sane" since i need to raise a child there. i dont really want to live in the valley though... too damn hot.

i know a lot of people dont like LA, but everytime i have been there i absolutely love it there.
Old 30th September 2002
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L.A.'s a very fun place to visit, but you don't want to live there. Well, I don't, anyway. Who knows, you might like it.

I lived in Venice in a VERY rough neighborhood. It's been cleaned up a LITTLE now (was just back there a couple of months ago) but I still wouldn't feel great about raising a kid there. And that's the only place near the beach that's remotely affordable. Maybe you could afford an apartment in Santa Monica but I dunno... it's very crowded, the beaches are crowded, it just ain't pretty. Then there's the traffic. Any time you have to go ANYwhere you can plan on it taking at least an hour to get there and then be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't.

I grew up in Culver City which is just east of Venice/Marina Del Rey... pretty close to the ocean but just a little bit cheaper than the beach cities. Culver City or Palms or West L.A. might be possibilities. They're kind of boring but within 15 minutes (if you know the shortcuts away from traffic) you can be at the beach or in less than half an hour you could be in Hollywood. Lots of studios (movie and audio) around that area too.
Old 30th September 2002
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im from DC [second only to LA in traffic]... traffic doesnt bother me, and i can get around LA fairly well avoiding traffic. just dont get on the highway.... last time i was there i was so high on the way

ive visited venice a bunch too, everytime im there pretty much.

last time i was there i stayed off melrose somehere. everytime i go, i want to just stay.
Old 30th September 2002
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yea, the LA housing market is insane right now...and that goes double for anyplace near the beach. if it follows the real estate trend of 89/90 it'll pop soon--maybe. i have friends who have been upside down in their houses since '89...ouch. but who knows..prices could just stabalize...thats the 64K question. or in the case of a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in Burbank-the $450K question. insane.

when i first moved out here i lived in hollywood, then venice, then santa monica and ended up in the valley. i was raised in the burbs so it just feels right...houses with kids playing in the front yards( including my kid), nice neighbors who invite you in for coffee, good schools, friendly yet ever present police force. not trendy or posh but very mayberry.

Ifiers right, everyplace can be crowded...the trick is knowing where the crowds aren't. LA is the town MADE for the weekend getaway...pismo, idyllwild, carpenteria, tahoe, napa...

the audio industry is tough to get into( where isn't it!?) but there are opportunities...and more and more post work is going to the small guys which is good.( and rarely does anyone care whether you're using PT or DP--just get the damn job done).

LA's not an easy town to acclimate to thats for sure. but once you do, its pretty cool.

Old 30th September 2002
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so is there much of a "scene" in LA or is it all just major label imports and such... like how well do smaller studios do with music? or would there be more post work?
Old 30th September 2002
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the scene here has every type of music..tons of bands...major creativity...but there are more project studios here then in the rest of the world combined( i kid you not). and some of those project studios are amazingly equipped. so the competition is fierce. i have a small mix/work room...i rent out a very nice large studio(neve/avalon/api pre's, mackie d8b, nice mics with engineer) for $55/hr when i need the extras. thats the going rate.

i moved into post ( music/sound design) after coming out here as a staff writer/producer...just wasn't into the label politics. i've found it very rewarding... but currently ALL audio businesses here are depressed. fewer movies, commercials, albums...you name it. post houses and production companies are closing at an alarming rate. its cyclical like everything else( i hope!). the nice aspect of post is that the budgets haven't been whittled down too much...and call me crazy, but directors and producers actually appreciate your work..its not so damn antagonistic.

ok, technically its monday(9/30)..where's my DP 3.1.....
Old 30th September 2002
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so right now i have it down to LA, SF, and possibly hawaii... although that might be out of the question due to some comments on another forum.
Old 30th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by 3rdpath
in the case of a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in Burbank-the $450K question. insane.
Relatively speaking, that ain't ****! I live in SF and my studio's about 14 miles north of it. A house like that in a decent neighborhood will easily run you close too $800,000. There's one down the street from my house where they're asking $$$$$$1.2 mil.
Old 30th September 2002
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Yeah see.... that's absurd. I have a 3 bedroom 2 bath house in a very decent neighborhood, with a full basement (where my studio is) on a 1/3 acre lot. Paid $80K for it. Granted it's worth twice that now (I bought it 8 years ago), but still! The more property values keep going up everywhere, the more it prices new homeowners out of the picture. People think it's such a great thing that their property value goes up, but really it's only a good thing for investors in real estate. If you're actually living in your house, and plan to stay there, all it means is higher property taxes (mine are really starting to piss me off). And if you plan to sell, sure you can make a nice profit but if you plan to buy another house then the value of your NEW house would have gone up too... so that'll eat your profits right up or else you'll have ridiculously high mortgage payments!

The whole housing game is just ludicrous... like most of our economy.... if someone can't afford a decent place to live on a modest salary something's wrong. And everyone I know who's my parents' age says that in their day, you could. My folks lived in a nice place when they moved out to L.A. after getting married - and they were young newlyweds, my dad made barely over minimum wage. We're all getting slowly ****ed by Wall Street, and we think it's all great because hey, you too can buy stock and get rich!

Sorry... this **** just pisses me off.
Old 30th September 2002
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SF is pretty cool, but the music scene was levelled to the ground when the .com industry rolled through from about '93 to late '98. The scene wasn't all that great before the .com's leased up every property downtown, south of Market, but the hi tech industry sure put some nails in the coffin. SoMa was where the music and art scene thrived until 99% of them were displaced by greedy landlords who jacked the prices up astronomically. One HUGE band rehearsal building called Downtown Rehearsals was bought up by some telecommunications co. and about 500 bands were thrown out. SF lost a lot of its funkiness, and it hasn't grown back much.

I think one of the only SoMa recording facilities (now also a mastering house) that survived and prospered during the .com era is Mr. Toad's, which is run by Tardon Feathered (his 'real' name).

I was happy to see the .com bubble burst 'cos when it did, SoMa became a total ghost town. All the ultra modern butt ugly technology hubs had boards on their windows, and the 'live/work artist homes' - a euphemism for .commie yuppie condo villages - were evacuated faster than internet co. stocks could fall. And many of the tourists from other states who turned much of SF into a bland strip mall went back to from whence they came. Traffic downtown has lightened up considerably .

Slowly the scene is rebuilding itself, and there has been a steady stream of rehearsal rooms available over the last 3-4 years. So now there are bands to work with again, but they can be few and far in between. You're best chance is if you fall into a niche market and there are a lot of bands playing in that genre who will seek you out. People still look at SF as a music mecca and they keep coming here, even if it hasn't really been that way for about about 35 years. I'm here for the rebuild and it'll come back.

If you're looking for a great market with a ****load of bands to record, check out the Seattle WA area. Can't say much for it as a place to live though. I'll take Cali over it anyday.
Old 1st October 2002
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St. Johns, USVI. Take your creativity there, mix with their local flavour, and bring back something NEW for us all!!!! Truth be known, it's the greatest place I've ever been but we couldn't make a living there. Beautiful island, the most friendly people, great beaches, and the bars...... and I don't drink!! All bs aside AJ, a great place for a vacation, but the right guy with the right mindset might come up with island magic........and gold.! All the best TommyD
Old 1st October 2002
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But if you DO decide on L.A., I lived in Manhattan Beach for 10 years , and the south beach areas are great. A bit pricey, but check out the Hermosa Beach area as I think the vibe is pretty cool. Good luck, TommyD
Old 1st October 2002
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Hey Alpha. We live in Oceanside Ca. Just an hour south of L.A. The housing market is not as insane as LA, as Oceanside had a bad rap for years 'cause of the Marine base. That's all changing RAPIDLY as the market drives the dregs away from the beach.
Still a far cry from prices in your neck o the woods but worth checking out. Close enough to easily drive to Studio city for sessions i do it a couple times a week)
There is a "scene" allthough not in the sense of an Austin or ???. so Cal in general are pretty fickle about supporting live music IMHO.
Yes of course there is a greater amount of sheer volume of work (which means a LOT more "trash for cash") but I'd have to agree with the earler post regarding the proliferation of project studios...Let's put it this way, NO one will come to your room just cause it's the only one around or because you've got xyz gear. I'tll be about what YOU (and your staff) have to offer and the amount of hustle/networking/rep/word o mouth blah blah nothing new about that though.
we just found out 3 days ago that we have to vacate our current studio digs of the last 3 years(just as things started rolling land lord is breaking the lease3 and selling the joint) so weve found a spot down the street, 3 blocks from the beach and about 2800 sq feet. Exciting but scary at the same time. Let me know if I can clue you in on the area to any greater extent. Craig Zarkos Proxy Music
Old 1st October 2002
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well in my little town, there are at LEAST 10 studios that i have now been to. probably at least 20 that i dont know about yet. this is in a town of 60k i think. i can walk from one side to the other side of downtown in 5 minutes... and have done it on many occasion, drunk and sober.

i do a lot of kinds of work, all freelance so the studio doesnt have to be my MAIN source... it'd be hard to be. so im not that concerned with its success. being in LA i would probably take advantage of larger rooms if i could rather than build my own joint.

i would most likely search out film work also. or editing porn would be a killer job.... maybe soundtracks for it
Old 1st October 2002
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The best bloopers are porn bloopers.

"Ow! [Cut! Cut!] She bent my rod, man!!"

"Too much queafing and not enough moaning. Start over."

"Get me two rolls of quarters and a body double..."
Old 3rd October 2002
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i live near marina del rey and have been in LA since 1988. if you are willing to do nay kind of sound work ,you should be fine. i have done location recording, (see new IMAX film out soon "Pulse, a Stomp Oddessy"....we actually recorded drums underwater. i wish all my sessions were underwater now. if not the entire session, just some of the talent:eek: ... but now i am doing DVD menu sound design and anything that comes along...a little lean for awhile here but it is starting to pick back up. come on out and good luck finding that 3 bedroom house for under 500,000.00....and that is not yen. house across the street from me just sold for 674,000.00. i looked at it and it is all about location here, not the house. see you guys at AES this weekend. peace john
Old 3rd October 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
so is there much of a "scene" in LA or is it all just major label imports and such... like how well do smaller studios do with music? or would there be more post work?
There's more of everything in L.A., and of course more people trying to do it. But if you're good at what you do you should be able to create an opportunity for yourself out of the multitiude of options. I mean, this is one of the places where all aspects of the industry are cooking away every day. The stuff done here gets on tv and the radio and into movies. People who are working steadily are good at what they do and work as if what they are doing is important, which it is. My feeling is that's a good thing to be part of. The one thing not happening, IMO, is the local music scene. All the musicians play in many band simultaneously to hedge their bets, nightclubs don't pay, and I don't think you can make much money doing demos cuz everyone's doing it themselves. So if your thing is just recording rock bands trying to get a deal, and you're looking for steady income to raise a family, there may be better markets elsewhere. The one thing that mitigates against the cost of living is the opportunity to make bigger bucks.

As for living, I have a studio in Venice and a house in Santa Monica, the latter on a block with about 20 kids and a neighborhood feel that rivals anything you would find anywhere. In my corner of Santa Monica the public school (Franklin elementary) is fantastic and I happily walk my 6 year old there every day, which is one of the things that ups the property value (we're saving 20k a year by not requiring private school). I have friends raising kids in Venice, and there are some nice and secure spots, but you have to be a little more careful, and you may not like the local public school. But Venice is one of the coolest spots in the world, and just gets better every year. I also happen to love the beaches in Santa Monica and Venice. Huge expanses of clean sand, well maintained, not crowded at all and considering that the city of L.A. dumps into the bay, it's fairly clean. And getting better. As is the air.

Property prices is certainly a problem (we got in earlier and much cheaper). Currently a nice size 2 or 3 bedroom condo in Santa Monica in a good-school neighborhood is probably around 700 or 800 k, houses can go from 800 k (little Spanish fixer) to 1.3 million (3 bedroom primo condition) and on up to the sky. I have friends who have happily bought into Mar Vista, finding houses in the 600 - 700 k range. So do the numbers, get the good interest rates, don't forget to factor in the tax deduction, and see what kind of monthly nut you can handle.

As for Hawaii, I was recently there (Maui) and definitely got the impression from some locals that it's better to vacation there than live there. You might want to have a friendlier and more vibrant culture for your child, as well as better schools. The great thing about Hawaii, the sun, is unfortunately the one thing you have to avoid if you live there day in and day out. Personally, I would rapidly become bored, but maybe that's just me.

As Fletcher says, best of luck with your search. (and e-mail me if you have any more questions about L.A.)

Rick Krizman
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Old 4th October 2002
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On a visit to Cambridge / Boston a few years ago a few things struck me,

1) What a massive group of nerd students!
2) I felt out of place without heavy black rimmed glasses
3) They look like they are all into music
4) they must have bands and need recording services at times
5) But those bands;
a) must split up all the time
b) May not be so 'serious'
c) have no money
6) tight sweaters rock.
7) working with 'know it all' university students might get real tired, real quick.

So my vague point is....

What recording business (if any) is to be had via university students or big university towns in the US that are not LA or NYC?

Discuss.
Old 4th October 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
On a visit to Cambridge / Boston a few years ago a few things struck me,

...........

What recording business (if any) is to be had via university students or big university towns in the US that are not LA or NYC?

Discuss.
I moved from Boston to L.A. about 20 years ago, leaving behind a promising career as a cab driver. There's just no money there, no economic base on which to build a music career. It's all starving students. (And even worse, music students.)

If you're serious about doing high quality music recording for a living I think you need to go to a major music center, if only to learn about what works in the real world. After that you can be like Harvey, and go live where you want and be the local guru.

Rick Krizman
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Old 4th October 2002
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Hmm

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