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Old 12th March 2014
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Good quality xlr mic cables

Hi,
Can any one of you guys recommend a decent quality 10-15mt XLR mic cables
in the UK for my home studio. I can't afford the "cream" of the crop quality a.t.m as I'm just starting. Hopefully, under Β£10,00 for 10-15m wouldn't hurt. I would love to hear from anyone who has made a "wise purchase" of these either buying individually or in a bundle of 5-10 cables.

Would be grateful for all feedback!
Old 12th March 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acousticaddict ➑️
Hi,
Can any one of you guys recommend a decent quality 10-15mt XLR mic cables
in the UK for my home studio. I can't afford the "cream" of the crop quality a.t.m as I'm just starting. Hopefully, under Β£10,00 for 10-15m wouldn't hurt. I would love to hear from anyone who has made a "wise purchase" of these either buying individually or in a bundle of 5-10 cables.

Would be grateful for all feedback!
Make your own.

Analog, Digital, AES/EBU, twisted pair, shielded, microphone, balanced, unbalanced

3 pin male XLR connectors and boots for making cables and panels

audio, connector, female, XLR, panel, inline, analog, digital, 3 pin

Search results for: 'soldering iron'

Search results for: 'solder roll'

I'm sure there are stores in the UK similar to Pacific Radio here in LA. If not you can always order from PacRad.

We've made dozens of 15m mic cables ourselves for our studio (from the mic panel to the back wall is 12m, then to get the mics up high we need at least 2 or 3m extra). Each cable costs around Β£30 or Β£40 to make, not Β£15,000! Unless you plan on making 375 of them?
Old 12th March 2014
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Is this about to open a can of worms?

I do agree with ^^^ though, making your own will probably end up costing the least, plus it's kind of therapeutic.
Old 12th March 2014
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+1 for making your own. Canare StarQuad, Neutrik connectors, proper heat shrinking & strain relief, applying the right amount of solder until its shiny [not milky], patience. Voila, awesome cables with a lifetime warranty [yours]


Brad Dollar
San Francisco Bay Area Recording Engineer Producer Mixer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AntillesSound ➑️
+1 for making your own. Canare StarQuad, Neutrik connectors, proper heat shrinking & strain relief, applying the right amount of solder until its shiny [not milky], patience. Voila, awesome cables with a lifetime warranty [yours]


Brad Dollar
San Francisco Bay Area Recording Engineer Producer Mixer
I agree with everything except using StarQuad. Unless you are doing unusually long cable runs, don't use StarQuad. Even people at Canare and cable dealers will tell you this. The reason being the Quad cable increases capacitance and will slightly attenuate the top end, making the cables loud ever so slightly dull or less bright sounding even with short runs.

For long runs the noise canceling benefits of the quad cable outweigh the loss in top end, but for short runs, it is not recommended. Even for a 50ft (15m) cable, I would recommend using Canare's twisted pair L-2T2S.

The capacitance on StarQuad is around 180~220 pF/m, while the capacitance on their twisted pair is 106~120 pF/m
Old 13th March 2014
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Mogami Silver series premolded cables are excellent for home studio use.
Old 13th March 2014
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Thank ye all for all for the excellent suggestions! I actually considered making my own & I totally agree with you guys. I have above average soldering skill, but time is rather limited a.t.m! Oh,yea,I nearly forgot about the capacitive effect on cables....a very important point some of you have made! I have no way of checking capacitance of these before buying, unless this given by the manufacturer. However, I do have a decent 5% accuracy capacitance meter as well!

Making my own is very tempting though, therapeutic or not! If only I could find that little extra time!(sigh!)

I've used XLR connectors from the far east & these seem solid & reasonably noise free!(whatever that means) What do guys think of these compared to Neutrik, Cannon, Amphonel etc?

B.t.w, I came across this old thread in Slutz;
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/162454-best-xlr-cables.html


Some of your suggestions w.r.t cables were very helpful too! Thanks a lot!!
Old 13th March 2014
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I'm more of a plug in and play rather than make your own cable kinda guy. I have all Mogami cables rigged up for everything and it hasn't failed me yet, although I couldn't tell you how much I paid for them. Lifetime warranty never hurts.
Old 13th March 2014
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You have to pick which thing you have less of: time or money. If you have more time than money, make your own cables. If you have more money than time, buy cables off the rack. If you have neither one, you might want to look at some of the classified ads on GS and buy some used, good quality cables. That would be better than buying cheap new cables.

Either way, I favor Mogami cable with Neutrik connectors.
Old 14th March 2014
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Don't forget Switchcraft connectors too. I love Switchcraft and Neutrik.
Old 14th March 2014
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I make most of my own cables with Belden or Klotz multicore and Neutrik connectors.

You definitely need to set aside a rainy day and a whole stack of CDs to listen to in order to get through it, but it is most satisfying work.

When it came to soldering some D-subs though I baulked and ordered from Redco - not a decision I regret!
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Originally Posted by doncaparker ➑️
You have to pick which thing you have less of: time or money. If you have more time than money, make your own cables. If you have more money than time, buy cables off the rack.
Thank you doncaparker for the very sound advice. I'm thinking long term, hence perhaps inclined to by better quality cables & do my own, albeit a few at a time. I can perhaps sleep a little less, eat less & definitly have to practice the guitar less for a few days I suppose! Lol.

Yes, it does make sense to invest in good connectors too.

Thanks you guys for the sound advice (no pun intended!)
Old 14th March 2014
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What do you guys think of this cable made/sold by " Blue Jeans" here are a few specs from their site;


http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/balancedaudio/index.htm

LC-1 Audio Cable Specs:
Physical Characteristics:
Center Conductor - Solid Bare Copper, 25 AWG
Dielectric - Nitrogen-Injected Low-Density Polyethylene
Shield - Braid/Braid, 98% coverage, bare copper
Outer diameter - .305 inch
Certifications:
UL Listing: Yes
NEC Rating: CM (Communications rated; suitable for residential and commercial in-wall installation)
Electrical Characteristics:
Capacitance, conductor to shield: 12.2 pF/ft
Resistance, center conductor: 34 ohms/1000 feet
Resistance, shield: 1.7 ohms/1000 feet

Will these do the job? anyone using this product?
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What do you guys think of this [LC-1] cable made/sold by "Blue Jeans". Will these do the job?
I don't really understand exactly what type of cable you want or how you've accessed the Blue Jeans cable company site for information.

Presumably you want balanced audio cables for a studio - and for these Blue Jeans seem to be using Belden or Canare (not LC-1) and charging $50 for a 20ft XLR cable.

Sure, it'll 'do the job', but at $50 a pop I have to ask how many do you need and can you afford it?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acousticaddict ➑️
What do you guys think of this cable made/sold by " Blue Jeans" here are a few specs from their site;


http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/balancedaudio/index.htm

LC-1 Audio Cable Specs:
Physical Characteristics:
Center Conductor - Solid Bare Copper, 25 AWG
Dielectric - Nitrogen-Injected Low-Density Polyethylene
Shield - Braid/Braid, 98% coverage, bare copper
Outer diameter - .305 inch
Certifications:
UL Listing: Yes
NEC Rating: CM (Communications rated; suitable for residential and commercial in-wall installation)
Electrical Characteristics:
Capacitance, conductor to shield: 12.2 pF/ft
Resistance, center conductor: 34 ohms/1000 feet
Resistance, shield: 1.7 ohms/1000 feet

Will these do the job? anyone using this product?
Don't do it. It's usually never a good idea to use AES cable for mic cables even though you can. Since the ohms rating on the AES cables are different than on mic cables it can effect the sound of the mic slightly.

And $50 for a 20ft cable!?!?! Are you kidding me? Each Neutriks Gold XLR connector is around $3.50~$4. So the connectors cost $7~8 total. The cable is around $0.6 per foot. So 20ft is $12. The parts for the cable cost around $19~$20 total (connectors and cable).

Each cable takes maybe 5~10 min to make. Paying a guy $60/hr to make cables would mean each costs $10 in labor... But most likely they have some kid making them for $10~$15/hr. So they probably only cost $1.5 to $2.5 in labor.

The total cost of the cable is around $21.50 to $22.50 to make including labor. Yet they are charging $49. That is over a 100% markup!! you are paying them $26.50 per cable just because you don't want to make them yourself? That is crazy!!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acousticaddict ➑️
What do you guys think of this cable made/sold by " Blue Jeans" here are a few specs from their site;


http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/balancedaudio/index.htm

LC-1 Audio Cable Specs:
Physical Characteristics:
Center Conductor - Solid Bare Copper, 25 AWG
Dielectric - Nitrogen-Injected Low-Density Polyethylene
Shield - Braid/Braid, 98% coverage, bare copper
Outer diameter - .305 inch
Certifications:
UL Listing: Yes
NEC Rating: CM (Communications rated; suitable for residential and commercial in-wall installation)
Electrical Characteristics:
Capacitance, conductor to shield: 12.2 pF/ft
Resistance, center conductor: 34 ohms/1000 feet
Resistance, shield: 1.7 ohms/1000 feet

Will these do the job? anyone using this product?
First, please not that they are listing the capacitance as pF/ft, while most of the rest of the world lists it as pF/m. So in doing comparisons it becomes a little deceiving.

Also, just thought I should point out that the specs you are listing ARE NOT for the two types of audio cables blue jeans sells.

The specs for the Belden 1800F are here:
www.belden.com/techdatas/metric/1800F.pdf
?
The capacitance is 85.306 pF/m

And the specs for the Canare StarQuad L-4E6S are here
Canare Corp.: Star Quad Series: Star Quad Microphone Cable(L-4E6S / L-4E5C)

And the capacitance on that is 185 pF/m

NEITHER is 12.2 pF/ft. and it seems a little suspect to me, almost like a bait and switch. Technically speaking, their LC-1 cable is a STEREO RCA connector audio cable for home stereos. It is not mic cable.
Old 14th March 2014
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Mogami and Van Damme cables
Old 14th March 2014
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Thanks Etch a Sketch for the timely warning!

Don't do it. It's usually never a good idea to use AES cable for mic cables even though you can. Since the ohms rating on the AES cables are different than on mic cables it can effect the sound of the mic slightly.

Thanks for this information. I didn't read through it properly! However, if I remember, I think, Blue Jeans were implying that it would be ok to use this cable for analog signals as well?

[I]And $50 for a 20ft cable!?!?! Are you kidding me? Each Neutriks Gold XLR connector is around $3.50~$4. So the connectors cost $7~8 total. The cable is around $0.6 per foot. So 20ft is $12. The parts for the cable cost around $19~$20 total (connectors and cable).


Oh no!, there's no way I was going to buy at those prices! In fact, I was only interested in the specs of those cables! Thanks to you guys in no small measure,I now have a better idea as to what type/make cable I should buy!


First, please not that they are listing the capacitance as pF/ft, while most of the rest of the world lists it as pF/m. So in doing comparisons it becomes a little deceiving.

Good catch! I didn't notice this!
Old 15th March 2014
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I use Mogami in the US, as it seems cheaper there, but VanDamme in the UK.
VanDamme have recently revamped their webshop, and have stock of the regular sizes ready to go.
Canford are also good - they are Belden stockists, with the occasional specialist Mogami line. Studiospares seems a little pricey (but have stock..)
Have a look at VDC Trading - Cable Specialists UK and Canford - Professional audio, video and broadcast equipment and see if either suits.
Best, Steve
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& definitly have to practice the guitar less for a few days I suppose! Lol.
Old 15th March 2014
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Klotz my206

I found this cable- Klotz MY206 - @ €42.70/ Β£36.78 ex.VAT /50m cheapest UK price!

Specification-KLOTZ MY206

Conductor: stranded bare copper, 28 x 0.10 mm
Cross Section: 0.22 mm2
Insulation: PE
Core Arrangement: 2 cores + cotton tracers, twisted
Shielding: bare copper spiral shield
Outer Jacket: PVC, matt
Overall Diameter: 6.15mm
Min Radius: 30mm
Working Temperature: -20C / +70C
Conductor Resistance: 85 ohm/km
Capacitance:
Cond/Cond. 60 pF/m
Cond/Shield 110 pF/m
Insulation Resistance: > 100 Mohm x km
Drum size: 100m

What's your verdit?
Old 15th March 2014
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Klotz my206

I also found this Van Damme cable Part No. 211-311-000 in their UK site, but no other specifications are given other than the basic info! Cheap too at Β£45,00/100m!

I came across these interesting sites, on mic cables;

Choosing the right mic cable

http://www.broadcastandcablesat.co.i...one-cable.html


Effects of capacitance in audio cables;

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/...oax/page8.html


Calculation of Cable attenuation,loss,Capacitance, Treble Loss & Cut Off frequency

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-cable.htm
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