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Old 19th September 2002
  #1
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🎧 15 years
Gimme evidence!!

Okay so theres mic-pre's and mic-pre's, but I'm talking about pricey gear..........why is a certain mic-pre (expensive) better than another in the same price range? (kudos!!)

I notice you guys still love old Neve stuff, what I can't understand is Rupert went to Amek and you think it's poo, I dunno I'm missing somthing.

I like colour in compressors not mic-pres, I prefer them transparent , then add whats needed.

But back to the topic header, is there anywhere on the web I can find a break down of where their good and where their bad list?
Old 20th September 2002
  #2
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🎧 15 years
Re: Gimme evidence!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Cape

I notice you guys still love old Neve stuff, what I can't understand is Rupert went to Amek and you think it's poo, I dunno I'm missing somthing.
Mr. Neve's Amek designs are very different from his 10xx designs. Not inherently better or worse just different.

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But back to the topic header, is there anywhere on the web I can find a break down of where their good and where their bad list?
Anyones definitive statement about which is good or bad is a strict matter of opinion. That being said, many of the legendary pieces of gear have achieved their status for good reason. For an excellent informed guide to some of the classics check out this fine article by Fletcher.

-jon
Old 20th September 2002
  #3
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It's a very good read! thanks for pointing it out!

Old 20th September 2002
  #4
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Thats great, but then why don't the makers of hardware make em like that anymore. Are you telling me it's more expensive to make certain components now.

What I think it is, is that as they were perfecting, and they would make many many models, not always satistfing everyone (try looking at a thread from 1970!!).The result is some very good equipment, however it only works well in certain areas. Today manu's have to sell more units therefore less kudos.
Old 20th September 2002
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🎧 15 years
Certain components are not available to manufactures anymore. It's a drag, but very true.

The makers of great audio equipment usually keep it discreet and sounding sweet. Having nice big parts inside costs a lot more to manufacture then tinny little chips, etc.

Now a days, most gear out there is as good as the "$1.50" chips inside them. Some work well 'cause the design rocks, other boxes sound like crap...
Old 20th September 2002
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🎧 15 years
Actually Steve, some of those chips cost about 40 cents each. Spending $1.50 would be amazing. Not only is it more expensive to make some components now it's just about impossbile to make others. Who's going to make 50 or 100 transformers a year for a BA-6A reissue? Some of the tubes it needs haven't been made in years either. The same thing applies to certain caps, resistors and other components. Not to mention the cost of hand labor on a piece...

As to new Neve designs vs. old Neve designs it's a matter of choice. The older units have a certain size and character to them. One of them is the way the bottom end is handled, they are also pretty slow when compared to more modern desings like a regular Great River or Melinna Media. Most of Ruperts new designs are more "modern" sounding for lack of a better word. Cleaner, faster and more transparent come to mind. I cut my professional teeth on an Amek console with RN modules that sounded great. We also had a pair of 9098 pre/EQ's in the room and I while they didn't suck I perferred the console pre's and EQ to them many times. We also had a pair each of 1064's and 1081's so I got a pretty good handle on the Neve sound quickly. I've gone on record a few times and said that I don't really like the 9098 pre/EQ. The truth is that I wouldn't mind having a pair but for what they cost new there are other things I'd rather have. One of them is the ISA 110 which is also a Neve design.

The truth is that none of this stuff is totally good or totally bad. It's mostly application specific and what sounds good to you will vary as your tastes change and the sonics of the song vary. In that light the only way to figure out what's good and what's bad is to try them for yourself.
Old 20th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Remoteness

The makers of great audio equipment usually keep it discreet and sounding sweet.

Now a days, most gear out there is as good as the "$1.50" chips inside them. Some work well 'cause the design rocks, other boxes sound like crap...
Emphasis on usually...definitely nothing wrong with IC's or OpAmps in themselves (like you said it's in the design). There are many incredible sounding designs that are completely or partially non-discrete. From talking with designers it just seems IC based designs are easier to get on the very clear sounding side of things. But completely discrete circuits can be just as clear...I'm pretty sure that the Buzz Audio MA2.2 and Crane Song Flamingo are discrete (somebody correct me here if I'm wrong)...both are very clear and open sounding with not much there to interfere between the mic and whatever is after the preamp, just clean ballzy gain.
Old 20th September 2002
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I agree with both of you. You guys hit it on the nail.
Old 20th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by NathanEldred


pretty sure that the Buzz Audio MA2.2 and Crane Song Flamingo are discrete (somebody correct me here if I'm wrong)...both are very clear and open sounding with not much there to interfere between the mic and whatever is after the preamp, just clean ballzy gain.
Hey Nathan,

The Buzz Audio Pre has both inputs, Transformer and non transformer. So that way you have a choice of what coloration you want.
Old 20th September 2002
  #10
Jax
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🎧 15 years
So the Buzz has x-former and no x-former inputs per box? ... or would you have to order a box with one or the other?
Old 21st September 2002
  #11
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From what i have read and heard from personal accounts from mates who have had the pleasure of speaking to 'Sir' Rupert... (well i rekons the dude oughta be knighted!) i think hes a bit over all the 'old designs' etc. Thats why he has been aking some really kik arse new gear with a new approach to audio deisgn. The new amek gear is very High Tech and a distant leap ahead fo the circuitry of the clasic gear which we all lust and drool over too (i am a victim in this area too..... no denials here!).

I used the Amek 9098 preamp/EQ and found the EQ to be really good for adding a little or a lot without screewing things over, and the preamp to be solid sounding with a sound that is undeniably rupert yet not in the same way as the vintage stuff. Those that have used both may understand where i ma coming from. I think its just amore contemporary flavour so to speak.

however i still cant work out why there is no pre/post eq function on the Amek Channel in a box!

So check it out b/c it really is an invetment in any studio this sort of gear, and its built like a brick ****house as well!.. they travel well in touring rigs. 9098 pres/eq are common on large tours these days.

PEACE
Wiggy
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