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silence is golden (soundproofing)
Old 14th September 2002
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silence is golden (soundproofing)



i have to move to a new room next month...its a double
garage ... has anyone any soundproofing tricks?

it has two garage doors a door to the kitchen ..a door to the
garden and a small window

i realise this might involve a few breeze blocks and alot of 2by4..

the most noise comes from gtr amp ...bassman .. 4x10'' and alot of valves...i was thinking of making it an enclosure ? how would i
ventilate it ?madd

the kit is quite noisey as well grudge

but apart from that im a charming neighbour
Old 14th September 2002
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I'd be careful about putting a tube amp in a sealed/closed up area...those things get REAL hot real quick...and any forced air vent will just add noise or be a different noise...

If you're trying to get sound at reduced volume, try a load box like the THD...brings amp levels down to line levels with little/no loss in quality. Also, at the risk of being run outta town on a rail, you can get some great sounds running direct...

If its the amp itself making a lot of chatter, hiss, etc., that's a different story. May be time for an amp tuneup...replacing preamp tubes, bias, etc...remember, amps are essentially 1940 technology, so something's gonna have to give there...besides, amp noise was an integral part of rock and roll for an awful long time..

That's what they tell me, anyway...
Old 15th September 2002
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amp is god

directs all ok but

AMP IS GOD

you cant beat a few jenson blues...rollz rollz

maybe i can take a fridge apart and run the heat extractors
thr the amp tut no ohmadd

im sure lead sheeting is involved somhow
Old 15th September 2002
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How quiet does it need to be to the outside world? What can you afford to spend on this? The best and really only way to totally soundproof something is to float the floors and walls which eats up space and gets expensive quickly. If you just need to knock things down by 10-15dB you can do that pretty easily and without a huge expense. What/who are your neighbours? Is there anyone physically attached to your space?
Old 16th September 2002
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v quiet !!

hey jay

it haS TO BE V QUIET ..
money not really the ruling factor ...
i am thinking of doing the floating floor thing...
then building walls
then the 2by4 wood and padding
and then maybe 1'' polesteryne sheets
then nail a few matreses to the walls ..
yuktyy

ill let you know if i pull it of or get burnt at the stake

Old 16th September 2002
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My old live room was about 14x17 and cost about $5K to build out just in materials. Not all that cheap and that didn't include heat or A/C. If you haven't read it already go over to www.auralex.com and read the "Acoustics 101" pdf.

If you want to do a room with a floating floor and all that I'd HIGHLY suggest getting someone qualified to consult on it. There are about 1000 things that could go wrong and if your on the second floor of a building you'll need to make sure that the floor will be able to support the added weight. One little mistake could render all your time and money useless.

The plans I had for my new room (before the building fell through ) had the walls made of 2x6" plates with staggered 2x4" studs. The interiors were packed with fiberglass and I had two layers of 5/8" sheetrock on one side and 3 layers on the other. Still not perfect but I'd knock things down by about 55dB or so. The walls were to be built on something called "sill seal" which is like a rubber mat for lack of a better way to describe it. Not as good as floating but way cheaper. I wasn't going to float the floors because of cost and there wasn't a real reason to besides isolation between the control room and live room.

Hope all this helps,
Old 17th September 2002
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thanks jay


yup thanks luv it all helps ...
this is the third time i have done this but im going a bit futher this time

i started by buying a house made of stone
the walls are a foot thick to start withgrggt
so thats niceheh
i an on the ground floor..the floor is concrete ..
mmm

thanks again

Old 15th November 2003
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Re: silence is golden (soundproofing)

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666


i have to move to a new room next month...its a double
garage ... has anyone any soundproofing tricks?

it has two garage doors a door to the kitchen ..a door to the
garden and a small window

i realise this might involve a few breeze blocks and alot of 2by4..

the most noise comes from gtr amp ...bassman .. 4x10'' and alot of valves...i was thinking of making it an enclosure ? how would i
ventilate it ?madd

the kit is quite noisey as well grudge

but apart from that im a charming neighbour
Check out the link below there are articles about garage soundproofing there:-
www.customaudiodesigns.co.uk/soundproofing.htm
Old 15th November 2003
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do yourself a free favor, and go check out www.johnlsayers.com tons of info, and some very helpful moderators there for studio design.
Old 15th November 2003
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Ditto what Steve said... John's site has TONS of information - you could spend a day just on postings in the forums...

I would figure you'd need to go double wall (maybe an 8in footer), insulation on both sides, etc.... something like:

5/8" drywall-RC-5/8" drywall-insulation-air space-insulation-5/8" drywall-5/8" drywall. That would give you an STC up around 60 or so. Some of the things I've also read indicate you can bump your STC up by using metal instead of wood studs and going 24" OC instead of 16". Of course you could always add some of that dense vinyl auralex stuff between layers of drywall too...

There's an interesting section on Auralex's web site where they have sound files reflecting various construction methods impact on a sound source... check it out.

Bill
Old 25th November 2003
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Go to John's site.....

-0z-
Old 26th November 2003
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I turned my oversized garage into a quiet soundproof room. It was a lot of work but not all that expensive.

Plan your power distribution and heating and cooling first. Then insulate the existing walls and hang double layers of sheetrock on resilient channel. This gives you a fairly dense outer wall.

Then come in one inch from the interior wall and build another wall. My studio walls are 91/2" thick. Again, use resilient channel on all the studs.

I used surface mounted electrical. I sealed every seam, floated the floors on pergo "quiet step" foam which is only 11 cents per square foot..way cheap so I used two layers. I floated the walls on rubber and I insulated the ceiling with 42" of blow in rock wool.

The ceiling has two layers of sheetrock hung on resilient channel and the wall between the garage and the house (the only common wall) was soundproofed with two layers of sheetrock, 1" furring strips, one layer of soundboard, 1" furrring strips, resilient channel and two layers of sheetrock.

The kitchen is now three feet away from my studio drum kit and you can barely hear the drums through the wall. Sounds like a normal stereo in a car in my driveway..

Fresh air is a whole other subject..as was heat and cooling.
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