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Old 20th January 2013
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Which of these two studios would you choose?

If you had to record in a studio with the following limitations, which one would you choose?

Studio 1 has any microphones you like, but only one choice of mic preamp.
Studio 2 has any mic preamps you like, but only one choice of mic.

You get to choose everything.

This is purely hypothetical and I already know that there are many mic/pre combination to capture a particular sound.



The next question is: If you could take any of the gear from either studio, but were limited on budget. What ratio of value of mic to value of mic preamp would you choose?

For example: 50% budget on mic and 50% budget on preamps.

thank you

x
Old 20th January 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Banks ➑️
If you had to record in a studio with the following limitations, which one would you choose?

Studio 1 has any microphones you like, but only one choice of mic preamp.
Studio 2 has any mic preamps you like, but only one choice of mic.

You get to choose everything.

This is purely hypothetical and I already know that there are many mic/pre combination to capture a particular sound.



The next question is: If you could take any of the gear from either studio, but were limited on budget. What ratio of value of mic to value of mic preamp would you choose?

For example: 50% budget on mic and 50% budget on preamps.

thank you

x
No doubt - studio 1.

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Old 20th January 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Banks ➑️
If you had to record in a studio with the following limitations, which one would you choose?

Studio 1 has any microphones you like, but only one choice of mic preamp.
Studio 2 has any mic preamps you like, but only one choice of mic.

You get to choose everything.

This is purely hypothetical and I already know that there are many mic/pre combination to capture a particular sound.



The next question is: If you could take any of the gear from either studio, but were limited on budget. What ratio of value of mic to value of mic preamp would you choose?

For example: 50% budget on mic and 50% budget on preamps.

thank you

x
Wait...what about the Music?
The Band? Artist? Their Vison of Sound?
Old 20th January 2013
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A variety of mics is way more important than a variety of pre's, assuming the pre isn't a total piece of garbage.
Old 20th January 2013
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Studio 1.

70% budget on Mics, 30% on preamps.
Old 20th January 2013
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Studio 1
Old 20th January 2013
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Cheers!

70/30 in favor of mic. Thats what I need to know.
Old 20th January 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Banks ➑️
If you had to record in a studio with the following limitations, which one would you choose?

Studio 1 has any microphones you like, but only one choice of mic preamp.
Studio 2 has any mic preamps you like, but only one choice of mic.

You get to choose everything.

This is purely hypothetical and I already know that there are many mic/pre combination to capture a particular sound.



The next question is: If you could take any of the gear from either studio, but were limited on budget. What ratio of value of mic to value of mic preamp would you choose?

For example: 50% budget on mic and 50% budget on preamps.

thank you

x
Question 1=Studio 1, hope its a great pre amp type though. There is far more than just one of these available I hope.
Question 2 can't answer in percentage terms as dependant on the project, I would be looking for 3 or four great tube pre's a couple of germanium ones and
some ultra clean pre amps just in case.
Old 20th January 2013
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Thanks!

But subjectivity aside, can you come up with a ratio please?

Thanks
Old 20th January 2013
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75%. Mic 25% Pre
Old 20th January 2013
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Thanks!
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75%. Mic 25% Pre
This
Old 20th January 2013
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Most all of the records that most people refer to as a benchmark of recorded sound were done with all of the same (or similar) preamps.
Old 20th January 2013
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Studio 1 every time.
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Originally Posted by MrChick ➑️
75%. Mic 25% Pre
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Originally Posted by Johnkenn ➑️
This
+1

What about the room?
Old 20th January 2013
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1 could be a studio with a great mic selection and a great console.
That's how most classic records were made. The idea of outboard pres is relatively recent.
Old 20th January 2013
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What do the rooms sound like?
Old 20th January 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Banks ➑️
If you had to record in a studio with the following limitations, which one would you choose?

Studio 1 has any microphones you like, but only one choice of mic preamp.
Studio 2 has any mic preamps you like, but only one choice of mic.

studio 1 of course unless that preamp was some utter crap

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The next question is: If you could take any of the gear from either studio, but were limited on budget. What ratio of value of mic to value of mic preamp would you choose?

For example: 50% budget on mic and 50% budget on preamps.
impossible to say. Top preamps are almost always expensive, good mics - appropriate to the use - can sometimes be remarkably cheap. Your primary LDC lead vocal mic could cost 3 - 4 times the cost of the preamp you use. Your dynamic snare mic could cost one tenth the price of the preamp you use - for the same preamp.

The implication in your first question is about 'selection'. The issue here is channels. A lot of channels of good preamp is going to cost you pretty much the same, regardless of if you have a 'selection' or not. The cost of a selection of mics will vary depending on what that selection is - and that will depend you are doing.
Old 20th January 2013
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Agreed ^^^^
The presented scenarios are too vague and theoretical to produce useful advice. Although the common answer given is absolutely right. Most great recordings are made using one pre-amp (in a console), and even today with a wide variety of pre-amp choice, most people choose a nice tracking console when booking a studio.
Great mics vary in price - common snare mics are cheap sm57, akg D19.
Vocal mics tend to be expensive (vintage tube).
If I had to compromise, I'd look closely at the console and the room sound on offer. If the mic choice was limited, I would use less mics and try to choose appropriate mics for the job. Like 4 good mics on the drums rather than multi-micing with a bunch of inappropriate or bad sounding mics.
Old 20th January 2013
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Consider this....for years and years artust would go to a stusio that had a console and mics. Outboard mic pres are a fairly recent developement. You could go to say, The Hit Factory and they might not have ANY pres other than the console.

So for years it worked fine.....one type preamp and a variety of mics. Yes mic pres have different sounsds, but they don't have different pick up patterns etc.

So time has already proven number one.
Old 21st January 2013
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This is all good! And please remember, it was a hypothetical question!

Please remeber that it it purely a thought experiment, room type may be asumed to be perfect.

Im really looking for a ball park mic to preamp cost ratio.

Thanks

X
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Originally Posted by Alex Banks ➑️
This is all good! And please remember, it was a hypothetical question!

Please remeber that it it purely a thought experiment, room type may be asumed to be perfect.

Im really looking for a ball park mic to preamp cost ratio.

Thanks

X
Hard to say...
An SM57 with a Pacifica preamp sounds great, but that ratio is is 10 percent mic, and 90 percent preamp (per channel)
You could also get a Neuman U87 with a BLA Auetur preamp and be just the opposite ratio of 90/10 the other way.

it just depends on 100 percent variables, and what you think you need
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